word
sp
THIS
sp
PARTICULAR
sp
STUDY
sp
FOR
{OOV}
SO
HE
sp
COULD
sp
LISTEN
sp
TO
IT
sp
ERM
sp
HE
HAD
sp
SAID
THAT
sp
IF
sp
NOTHING
ELSE
sp
HE
sp
DISCOVERED
HOW
LIVELY
THE
sp
CHILDREN
sp
WERE
AT
sp
MY
sp
SCHOOL
sp
I
sp
I
I
RECORDED
IT
IN
A
sp
CLOSED
sp
CLASSROOM
sp
DURING
THE
LUNCH
TIME
sp
PLAYTIME
sp
AND
sp
YOU
CAN
STILL
HEAR
THE
CHILDREN'S
VOICES
sp
WAFTING
THROUGH
THE
DOUBLE
GLAZING
sp
SO
sp
ANYWAY
sp
I
HOPE
IT
WASN'T
sp
TOO
DISTRACTING
sp
FOR
HIM
AND
sp
THAT
sp
HE
WAS
ABLE
sp
TO
PICK
sp
OUT
ERM
THE
INFORMATION
sp
THAT
sp
HE
sp
WANTED
SO
THANK
YOU
VERY
MUCH
{OOV}
FOR
LEADING
US
sp
TONIGHT
AND
ALL
sp
HERE
WILL
sp
BE
INTERESTED
sp
TO
sp
HEAR
WHAT
YOU
sp
HAVE
TO
SAY
THANK
YOU
sp
WILL
I
sp
HOPE
I'M
NOT
GOING
sp
TO
LEAD
YOU
sp
ASTRAY
sp
NO
ER
ONE
sp
OF
THE
THINGS
THAT
I
I
I
DO
WISH
sp
HAND
BOOK
WRITERS
sp
WOULD
sp
ER
sp
DO
sp
IS
sp
TO
ERM
sp
WRITE
sp
WHENEVER
PRACTICAL
TO
sp
SEEK
sp
OUT
THE
STRENGTH
sp
OF
THE
sp
GROUP
sp
AT
THE
BEGINNING
sp
SO
THAT
sp
FOR
EXAMPLE
sp
HOW
MU
sp
IF
THERE
ARE
THOSE
OF
US
WHO'VE
BEEN
sp
MAGISTRATES
sp
OR
sp
BEEN
BEFORE
sp
THE
sp
COURT
sp
OR
INVOLVED
IN
sp
LEGAL
sp
PROCESSES
sp
IT'S
sp
TO
sp
KNOW
THAT
sp
IN
sp
ADVANCE
sp
BECAUSE
I
sp
THINK
THEY
THEN
HAVE
A
sp
PRACTICAL
CONTRIBUTION
sp
TO
MAKE
sp
ANYWAY
BEFORE
I
sp
SAY
sp
ANY
MORE
ABOUT
sp
THAT
sp
I
LOOKED
UP
THE
sp
SUBJECT
sp
JUSTICE
sp
IN
sp
THE
NEW
DICTIONARY
sp
AND
sp
IT
sp
SAID
sp
TO
sp
TREAT
sp
JUSTLY
sp
OR
sp
TO
sp
TREAT
sp
FAIRLY
sp
AND
THEN
IT
WENT
ON
sp
TO
TALK
ABOUT
sp
LEGAL
sp
JUSTICE
sp
BUT
sp
THE
sp
SUBJECT
OF
sp
JUSTICE
sp
ITSELF
sp
HARKED
ON
sp
MAINLY
THE
LEGAL
ASPECT
sp
WHICH
sp
THESE
sp
NOTES
sp
DEAL
sp
WITH
sp
IS
I
sp
THINK
ONE
OF
THE
MOST
sp
PENETRATING
sp
SUBJECTS
HAVE
AFFECT
sp
ALL
OUR
LIVES
sp
SO
sp
THIS
sp
LITTLE
sp
TAPE
THIS
sp
LITTLE
RECORDING
sp
ER
sp
HIGHLIGHTS
sp
IN
sp
JUSTICE
sp
WHICH
sp
PROBABLY
IS
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A
sp
MORE
sp
FASCINATING
sp
SUBJECT
sp
AS
sp
JUSTICE
sp
WELL
sp
THE
TWO
sp
IN
A
WAY
sp
ARE
INSEPARABLE
sp
RIGHT
sp
AWAY
WE
GO
ALL
BEING
WELL
sp
THAT'S
sp
IF
sp
ER
sp
TH
sp
THAT'S
sp
IF
sp
ER
sp
THE
ELECTRICITY
S
ON
sp
BEAUTIFULLY
sp
WRITTEN
YOU
HEARD
IT
ALRIGHT
sp
DOWN
THAT
END
sp
YES
BE
OKAY
IS
THAT
IN
THE
WAY
sp
MIND
sp
YOU
DON'T
FA
NO
MIND
YOU
DON'T
sp
FALL
OVER
CAN
sp
I
PUSH
IT
UNDER
THE
sp
CHAIR
SOMEWHERE
I
SHOULD
YES
BECAUSE
YOU
MIGHT
sp
THAT
sp
OUT
sp
OF
THE
WAY
sp
MIGHT
sp
FALL
OVER
sp
THE
sp
WIRE
sp
IT
sp
OCCURRED
sp
TO
ME
sp
THAT
sp
SO
MANY
OF
sp
THE
sp
PEOPLE
sp
WHO
sp
INFLUENCE
sp
OUR
LIVES
sp
ARE
sp
PEOPLE
sp
WHO
HAVE
sp
BEEN
sp
UNJUSTLY
sp
TREATED
sp
I
sp
I
HOPE
THIS
IS
NOT
A
MISCHIEVOUS
sp
COMMENT
sp
BUT
I
I
THINK
IT'S
sp
VERY
QUESTIONABLE
sp
WHETHER
THE
CHRISTIAN
sp
FAITH
sp
WOULD
sp
BE
KNOWN
sp
AS
IT
sp
IS
sp
TODAY
DOWN
sp
TWO
sp
THOUSAND
YEARS
sp
HAD
IT
NOT
sp
BEEN
sp
FOR
AN
INNOCENT
sp
MAN
sp
JESUS
sp
BEING
sp
UNJUSTLY
sp
PUNISHED
sp
AND
CRUCIFIED
sp
AND
sp
SO
MANY
OF
sp
THE
GREAT
sp
REFORMERS
sp
IN
THE
sp
HISTORY
OF
sp
MAN
sp
MEN
AND
sp
WOMEN
sp
HAVE
sp
DIED
OR
sp
SUFFERED
sp
GRAVE
IMPRISONMENT
sp
BECAUSE
OF
sp
INJUSTICE
sp
AND
IN
A
sp
PARADOXICAL
sp
WAY
sp
INJUSTICE
sp
IN
A
WAY
sp
YO
YOU
ALMOST
sp
SEEM
AS
IF
WE
NEED
INJUSTICE
sp
TO
sp
DRIVE
US
ON
sp
TO
GET
sp
THINGS
sp
DONE
IN
A
IN
A
BETTER
sp
WAY
sp
SO
THAT
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
HAD
sp
THE
sp
SUBJECT
sp
BEEN
sp
INJUSTICE
sp
IT
sp
WOULD
sp
HAVE
sp
JUST
sp
BEEN
sp
JUST
sp
AS
ER
sp
EXCITING
sp
AS
sp
JUSTICE
sp
FACT
sp
OR
sp
FICTION
sp
I
HOPE
THEREFORE
WE
WILL
sp
KEEP
sp
IN
OUR
MINDS
sp
THE
MEANING
sp
THAT
sp
JUSTICE
sp
MEANS
sp
TO
sp
TREAT
sp
JUSTLY
sp
OR
TO
sp
TREAT
sp
FAIRLY
sp
AND
sp
REMEMBER
THAT
IT'S
sp
A
DOUBLE
ED
sp
SIDED
sp
COIN
sp
THE
NOTES
sp
THAT
HAVE
sp
BEEN
sp
PREPARED
sp
FOR
US
sp
GO
OVER
sp
ER
sp
RATHER
BRIEFLY
THE
sp
LEGAL
sp
SYSTEMS
sp
IN
OUR
sp
LAND
sp
AND
ER
sp
EVEN
REFERENCES
sp
MADE
TO
sp
FRANCE
WHICH
HAS
sp
A
sp
SLIGHTLY
sp
DIFFERENT
sp
LEGAL
sp
SYSTEM
sp
WHICH
sp
MAY
BE
A
sp
BIT
sp
BETTER
sp
THAN
OURS
sp
AND
sp
SO
THAT
sp
IN
THE
NOTES
sp
WE
NOT
ONLY
LOOK
AT
sp
THE
sp
HIGH
sp
COURT
sp
THE
sp
HIGH
sp
COURT
sp
THE
sp
CRIMINAL
sp
COURT
sp
THE
sp
COUNTY
sp
COURT
sp
ER
sp
ER
AND
sp
REALISE
sp
WHAT
AN
IMPORTANT
sp
PART
sp
OF
sp
LEGAL
sp
PROCEEDINGS
sp
ER
sp
THESE
sp
COURTS
sp
FAIR
AS
sp
WELL
OF
COURSE
sp
AS
sp
THE
sp
LARGEST
sp
COURTS
OF
sp
ALL
sp
THE
MAGISTRATE
S
sp
COURT
sp
NOW
sp
WHEN
sp
{OOV}
sp
ASKED
IF
I
WOULD
sp
INTRODUCE
sp
THIS
sp
SUBJECT
sp
SHE
SAID
sp
I
sp
THINK
I'D
BETTER
sp
MENTION
sp
THIS
sp
FOR
THE
sp
SAKE
OF
sp
THE
sp
TRUTH
sp
OF
OF
OF
EVERYTHING
sp
ER
sp
SHE
SAID
sp
AS
YOU
RAISED
sp
YOU
BEEN
sp
APPEARED
IN
THE
sp
PAPER
sp
OBVIOUSLY
IN
sp
DEALING
sp
WITH
SOMETHING
IT
sp
SEEMED
sp
TO
YOU
sp
UNJUST
sp
OUR
FOLKS
THOUGHT
YOU
OUGHT
sp
TO
INTRODUCE
sp
THIS
sp
SUBJECT
sp
SO
I
THOUGHT
I'D
BETTER
CLEAR
THAT
LITTLE
MATTER
sp
UP
sp
FOR
STARTERS
sp
BECAUSE
sp
YOU
WOULD
BE
VERY
INTERESTED
FOR
TWELVE
MONTHS
sp
I'VE
BEEN
sp
TRYING
TO
ER
sp
WHEN
I
REALISED
THAT
sp
THAT
WAS
sp
PUT
ON
MY
sp
CLEANING
BILL
IT
sp
SEEMED
TO
BE
SO
sp
UNFAIR
sp
THAT
sp
THE
sp
LITTLE
OL
AND
THE
LADY
WHO
sp
UP
sp
TILL
NOW
sp
HAS
sp
HAS
sp
CLEANED
sp
FOR
ME
sp
BECAUSE
THE
HOME
HELP
sp
SERVICE
sp
NO
LONGER
JUST
sp
DOES
sp
CLEANING
sp
AND
I
ER
sp
AND
I
sp
PRETENDED
sp
TO
BE
sp
INCAPABLE
AND
I
sp
AND
SAID
I
WOULD
LIKE
sp
SOMEONE
TO
sp
GO
AND
HELP
ME
DO
SHOPPING
sp
HOME
HEALTH
SERVICE
WOULD
HAVE
sp
COME
ALONG
sp
YEAH
sp
BECAUSE
I
WAS
STRAIGHTFORWARD
AND
SAID
ALL
I
WANT
IS
sp
SOMEONE
TO
sp
COME
AND
sp
SEE
sp
MY
sp
PLACE
sp
IS
sp
KEPT
sp
CLEAN
AND
sp
THEY
SAID
WE
CAN'T
DO
THAT
ANYMORE
sp
THEY'RE
sp
NOT
sp
TRYING
AND
WE
WILL
GIVE
YOU
A
ER
sp
TWO
ADDRESSES
AND
SO
THEY
GAVE
ME
TWO
sp
ADDRESSES
sp
AND
AND
TO
REACH
sp
PEOPLE
AT
sp
I'VE
sp
DONE
THE
sp
JOB
sp
QUITE
WELL
sp
BROKEN
DOWN
SINCE
THE
sp
PAPER
ARTICLE
sp
HADN'T
HAD
A
SOLE
COME
sp
SINCE
THAT
sp
NEWSPAPER
ARTICLE
DISAPPEARED
AND
NOW
AND
NOW
WELL
I
RECKON
SO
SO
I
I'VE
ARRANGED
FOR
SOMEONE
sp
ELSE
TO
sp
DO
IT
NOW
sp
ER
sp
BUT
sp
THE
sp
POINT
I
WANTED
TO
sp
MAKE
WAS
THAT
sp
AFTER
sp
TRYING
FOR
sp
TWELVE
sp
MONTHS
sp
FIRST
sp
OF
ALL
sp
ER
sp
I
WROTE
TO
MY
LOCAL
M
P
I
WENT
sp
THROUGH
THE
sp
PROPER
sp
PROCESS
sp
AND
sp
THE
LOCAL
MP
sp
ER
sp
ER
sp
MP
FOR
LABOUR
DIDN'T
KNOW
MUCH
ABOUT
sp
IT
AND
sp
HE
sp
REFERRED
IT
TO
sp
THE
sp
POSTMASTER
sp
GENERAL
I
sp
THINK
sp
IT
IS
sp
WHO
TOOK
THREE
MONTHS
sp
TO
ANSWER
sp
MM
sp
WHEN
EVENTUALLY
HE
WAS
sp
BLAMING
THE
EUROPEAN
sp
UNION
sp
NOT
sp
EUROPEAN
COMMUNITY
NOW
sp
BOYS
sp
AND
GIRLS
sp
THAT'S
RIGHT
ISN'T
IT
IT'S
EUROPEAN
UNION
NOW
ISN'T
IT
YEAH
LISTEN
I
I
YEAH
ANOTHER
EUROPEAN
COMMUNITY
sp
ANYWAY
sp
HE
SAID
THAT
sp
THEY
HAD
IMPOSED
sp
THIS
sp
AND
THE
GOVERNMENT
sp
COULDN'T
DO
ANYTHING
ABOUT
sp
IT
IT
WAS
sp
THE
DIRECTIVE
sp
THE
sp
WORD
HE
USED
sp
ON
CHECKING
FURTHER
WITH
THE
EUROPEAN
UNION
I
DON'T
TAKE
ANYTHING
FOR
GRANTED
NOT
EVEN
WHAT
sp
MPS
sp
SAY
sp
ER
IT
TURNED
OUT
THAT
IT
WASN'T
A
DIRECTIVE
AND
THAT
THE
GOVERNMENT
sp
HAD
sp
FREEDOM
OF
CHOICE
WHETHER
IT
IMPOSES
IT
OR
sp
NOT
sp
SO
THEN
OF
COURSE
I
WENT
TO
sp
THE
EURO
sp
M
P
sp
THAT'S
HOW
sp
I
FOUND
OUT
sp
ABOUT
sp
IT
sp
THEN
LAST
NOVEMBER
I
sp
WENT
TO
SEE
HER
sp
SHE
WAS
OUT
AND
I
sp
SEE
HER
PRESS
OFFICER
sp
I
GAVE
HER
ALL
sp
THE
sp
PAPERS
AND
sp
ERM
SHE
SAID
sp
WELL
sp
AND
sp
THAT
{OOV}
MEANWHILE
HAD
sp
SPOKEN
sp
TO
ME
ON
sp
THE
PHONE
sp
AND
sp
SAID
sp
SHE
WOULD
DO
WHAT
sp
SHE
sp
COULD
sp
THAT
THE
sp
LOCAL
MP
AND
THE
AND
sp
THE
COULDN'T
DO
sp
ANYTHING
sp
MORE
ABOUT
IT
AND
ER
sp
THE
UPSHOT
sp
OF
ALL
sp
THAT
sp
WAS
sp
I
GOT
A
sp
PHONE
CALL
WHAT
sp
THREE
WEEKS
sp
AGO
sp
FROM
ONE
OF
THE
sp
PAPERS
sp
SAYING
WE'D
LIKE
TO
sp
COME
AND
TAKE
YOUR
sp
PICTURE
MR
sp
{OOV}
COS
sp
WE'RE
sp
DOING
THIS
ARTICLE
ABOUT
sp
ON
sp
ON
ER
sp
ON
CARE
SERVICES
sp
SO
sp
I
SAID
sp
OKAY
sp
SO
HE
sp
CAME
sp
AND
TOOK
sp
A
sp
PICTURE
sp
THAT'S
ALL
I
KNEW
ABOUT
IT
sp
YOU'VE
ALL
sp
SEEN
OR
MOST
OF
YOU
HAVE
SEEN
THE
ARTICLE
sp
I
WAS
NEVER
INTERVIEWED
BY
THE
sp
PRESS
sp
WHATSOEVER
sp
OH
TYPICAL
YEAH
TYPICAL
sp
YEAH
sp
YEAH
WHICH
AND
I
sp
WAS
QUOTED
AS
WELL
sp
THEY
MAY
sp
I
MEAN
sp
WHETHER
THE
sp
PRESS
OFFICER
sp
ER
{OOV}
PRESS
OFFICER
ER
sp
ER
sp
QUOTED
ME
AND
HE
sp
ALTERED
sp
MY
sp
CONVERSATION
sp
WITH
HER
I
DON'T
KNOW
BUT
sp
THE
IMPORTANT
sp
THING
sp
WAS
sp
THE
sp
IMPRESSION
THAT
EVERYONE
sp
ER
sp
HAD
WHO
READ
sp
THE
PAPER
WAS
sp
THAT
I
HAD
BEEN
sp
INTERVIEWED
BY
THE
sp
PRESS
sp
MM
IN
sp
FACT
sp
IT
WAS
ONLY
NAMING
sp
ONE
sp
LADY
sp
ON
sp
THE
PAPER
sp
MM
sp
I
JUST
MENTION
THAT
sp
BECAUSE
THAT
sp
I
sp
THOUGHT
YOU
OUGHT
TO
KNOW
THE
sp
TRUTH
sp
OF
THAT
sp
YOU
sp
KNOW
AND
sp
THINGS
AREN'T
WHAT
THEY
APPEAR
IN
sp
THE
PAPER
sp
NO
sp
CAN'T
sp
BELIEVE
ANYTHING
sp
CAN
sp
YOU
sp
NO
HARMS
sp
DONE
REALLY
ALTHOUGH
I
WOULDN'T
HAVE
SAID
WHAT
sp
WAS
sp
ATTRIBUTED
TO
sp
ME
I
WASN'T
MOANING
ABOUT
THE
MONEY
I
sp
NEVER
MOAN
ABOUT
sp
HARDSHIP
sp
I
WAS
sp
ARGUING
ABOUT
THE
sp
PRINCIPLE
sp
THAT
sp
ER
sp
I
MEAN
sp
THE
LADY
WHO
CAME
TO
sp
CLEAN
sp
FOR
sp
ME
sp
WAS
sp
A
NURSING
AUXILIARY
sp
AND
IF
I'D
HAD
sp
RHEUMATISM
sp
SHE
WOULD
HAVE
BATHED
sp
ME
sp
AND
DONE
sp
SORT
OF
sp
THING
AS
sp
WELL
sp
SO
THAT
LITTLE
OLD
LADIES
WHO
ARE
sp
DECIDE
sp
OR
OLD
GENTLEMEN
sp
FOR
sp
THAT
MATTER
sp
WANT
TO
TRY
AND
LIVE
IN
THE
COMMUNITY
sp
AND
sp
THEN
sp
THEY
STICK
sp
THAT
ON
THEIR
BILL
sp
IT'S
sp
THE
ONLY
AND
IT'S
ONLY
BECAUSE
sp
AND
THIS
IS
sp
I
MEAN
HAVING
TO
UNDERSTAND
WHY
GOVERNMENT
SURELY
THE
MAJORITY
OF
sp
SUPPORTERS
sp
OF
THE
sp
PRESENT
GOVERNMENT
sp
WOULDN'T
APPROVE
OF
sp
THIS
sp
THE
ONLY
EXCEPTION
IN
MY
CASE
sp
IS
sp
THAT
sp
I'VE
sp
USED
A
sp
FIRM
THAT
DOES
MORE
THAN
sp
THIRTY
FIVE
THOUSAND
sp
POUNDS
WORTH
OF
sp
WORK
A
sp
YEAR
sp
MM
sp
YEAH
MM
AND
THAT
sp
THE
ANSWERS
I
GOT
sp
FROM
GOVERNMENT
sp
WAS
sp
USE
sp
A
VOLUNTARY
BODY
THEY
DON'T
HAVE
sp
TO
sp
PAY
sp
THAT
sp
ER
sp
USE
sp
THE
COUNTY
sp
COUNCIL
sp
I
sp
SAID
THEY
sp
WEREN'T
sp
PREPARED
sp
TO
DO
sp
IT
sp
BUT
sp
THEY
WOULD
DO
CLEANING
sp
JUST
sp
CLEANING
sp
THE
COUNTY
sp
COUNCIL
sp
WILL
THOUGH
IT
HASN'T
sp
GOT
sp
THE
sp
PEOPLE
TO
DO
IT
sp
BUT
OF
COURSE
sp
THEY'VE
sp
PRICED
sp
THEY'VE
sp
DONE
THIS
sp
BY
sp
CHARGING
sp
EIGHT
sp
POUNDS
sp
AN
HOUR
sp
YEAH
YEAH
OH
FOR
SOMEONE
TO
COME
AND
sp
CLEAN
AND
sp
THEN
YOU
WOULD
HAVE
TO
sp
PAY
sp
V
A
T
sp
ON
IT
sp
YOU
sp
SEE
COS
THEY
DON'T
sp
SAY
sp
THAT
sp
AND
ANYONE
ELSE
WHO
DOESN'T
sp
WHO
sp
DOES
LESS
sp
THAN
sp
THIRTY
sp
FIVE
THOUSAND
sp
POUNDS
WORTH
OF
sp
IF
MRS
{OOV}
DOWN
THE
sp
STREET
sp
SAID
I
COULDN'T
sp
DO
sp
FORTY
sp
POUND
sp
THEN
THEY
DON'T
sp
HAVE
TO
sp
PAY
THAT
sp
BUT
THAT
WAS
NOT
THE
ISSUE
sp
AND
T
AND
sp
TH
THEN
sp
SINCE
sp
THE
PAPER
sp
TALK
sp
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
IT'S
NOTHING
TO
DO
WITH
IT
BUT
IT
MAY
HAVE
A
BIT
TO
sp
DO
WITH
JUSTICE
sp
WE'LL
sp
GET
ROUND
TO
sp
IT
sp
IN
sp
A
sp
BIT
sp
T
sp
SINCE
sp
THE
sp
THE
sp
PAPER
ARTICLE
I
sp
WROTE
sp
DIRECT
sp
TO
THE
sp
CHANCELLOR
sp
AS
sp
HE'S
LIVING
DOWN
sp
THE
sp
STREET
PERSONAL
LETTER
TO
sp
HIM
sp
HE
DIDN'T
ANSWER
sp
IT
sp
PERSONALLY
EVENTUALLY
ABOUT
sp
THREE
WEEKS
AFTERWARDS
I
sp
GOT
THE
sp
LETTER
sp
FROM
sp
CUSTOMS
AND
EXCISE
sp
WHO
sp
DEAL
WITH
sp
THIS
sp
SAYING
sp
IN
A
RATHER
REMARKABLE
LAST
sp
PARAGRAPH
sp
WE
HAVE
sp
TO
CHARGE
sp
V
sp
A
sp
T
RIGHT
ACROSS
sp
THE
BOARD
sp
IN
OTHER
WORDS
IF
sp
ANY
OF
YOU
WERE
WEALTHY
sp
ENOUGH
sp
TO
EMPLOY
sp
A
sp
LADY
OR
sp
A
GENTLEMAN
sp
T
DO
sp
THE
CLEANING
TO
DO
THE
CLEANING
sp
THEN
sp
THEY
HAVE
TO
sp
CHARGE
V
A
T
sp
BUT
sp
I
ALWAYS
sp
THOUGHT
sp
CLEANLINESS
WAS
NEXT
sp
TO
GODLINESS
MM
I
MEAN
sp
I
DIDN'T
THINK
HE
HAD
sp
TO
sp
HAVE
V
A
T
sp
ON
I
MEAN
IF
IT'S
sp
A
MILLIONAIRE
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
AND
THEY
sp
EMPLOY
LA
THEY
EMPLOY
sp
PEOPLE
TO
sp
CLEAN
sp
I
WAS
sp
SURPRISED
THAT
THAT
IS
sp
PUT
ON
sp
CLEANING
sp
BUT
BECAUSE
IT'S
sp
GOT
TO
BE
sp
RIGHT
ACROSS
sp
THE
sp
BOARD
sp
AND
THEY
WON'T
sp
MAKE
sp
EXCEPTION
sp
OF
sp
PEOPLE
LIKE
sp
MYSELF
AND
OTHERS
WHO
ARE
LIVING
IN
THE
sp
COMMUNITY
sp
THAT
NEED
HOME
HELP
sp
MM
sp
SO
THAT'S
THE
WHOLE
STORY
I
THOUGHT
YOU
OUGHT
sp
TO
KNOW
YEAH
THIS
HAS
BEEN
sp
HAPPENING
TO
ME
JUST
THE
sp
SAME
sp
PARDON
sp
IT'S
sp
HAPPENED
sp
TO
ME
sp
JUST
sp
THE
SAME
YES
sp
YES
sp
SO
ER
sp
WHAT
sp
PAPER
sp
WAS
YOU
IN
OH
I
DON'T
sp
KNOW
sp
MERCURY
MERCURY
OR
sp
POST
sp
LOOK
I
SAW
IT
IN
THE
sp
HERALD
AND
POST
MERCURY
WAS
sp
YES
sp
I
IT'S
ONE
IN
THE
MERCURY
sp
AND
THE
OTHER
ONE
WAS
THE
ONE
WITH
THE
sp
PICTURE
sp
YEAH
sp
HERALD
AND
sp
POST
sp
COS
I
SAW
IT
sp
NOW
THEN
BACK
TO
sp
SUBJECT
sp
SORRY
ABOUT
THAT
sp
ARE
THEY
ANY
sp
HERE
WHO
HAVE
BEEN
MAGISTRATES
sp
YELL
IF
YOU
HAVE
COS
I
CAN'T
SEE
YOUR
sp
HAND
sp
ANYBODY
sp
NO
sp
NO
sp
HOW
MANY
OF
YOU
HAVE
sp
BEEN
sp
TO
sp
COUNTY
sp
COURT
sp
NO
sp
NO
NO
sp
WHAT
AN
INNOCENT
sp
LOT
WE
sp
ARE
GOOD
WE
sp
ARE
HOW
MANY
OF
YOU'VE
BEEN
BEFORE
A
JUDGE
sp
NO
NO
NO
sp
BEEN
TO
sp
COURTS
ON
sp
PURPOSE
sp
IS
sp
THE
sp
CASES
sp
AT
ONE
TIME
I
USED
TO
sp
QUITE
OFTEN
sp
GO
TO
sp
THE
sp
CASTLE
sp
YES
sp
AND
THEY
WERE
VERY
INTERESTING
sp
ACTUALLY
sp
I
FOUND
sp
IT
sp
VERY
sp
INTERESTING
YES
BUT
sp
NEVER
ER
sp
FROM
THE
WRONG
SIDE
OF
THE
BENCH
YOU
sp
KNOW
sp
NEVER
AS
A
sp
CRIMINAL
sp
WELL
sp
NOW
sp
TH
sp
THIS
IS
sp
WHERE
{OOV}
COMES
INTO
HIS
OWN
sp
YOU
sp
SEE
YEAH
YOU
sp
WOULD
sp
BE
{OOV}
ONCE
sp
WAS
TRIED
IN
A
WAY
sp
BUT
sp
A
sp
JUDGE
sp
ER
TUMBLED
sp
TO
sp
IT
sp
AND
IT
WAS
AT
LEICESTER
CASTLE
sp
HAD
sp
THINGS
GONE
WRONG
WITH
ME
I
MAY
ULTIMATELY
HAVE
BEEN
sp
SENT
sp
TO
PRISON
I
WAS
G
sp
I
WAS
sp
GOING
sp
TO
sp
GET
sp
{OOV}
sp
TO
READ
THE
NEWSPAPER
sp
REPORT
sp
IN
sp
THE
sp
MERCURY
sp
AND
sp
THE
sp
MAIL
AND
WHEN
I
sp
APPEARED
sp
AT
sp
LEICESTER
sp
CASTLE
sp
BEFORE
A
sp
JUDGE
sp
BUT
ER
I
sp
THINK
sp
AND
I
WAS
sp
GOING
TO
sp
GIVE
YOU
A
sp
CLUE
BUT
sp
PERHAPS
sp
WE'LL
sp
FORGET
sp
ABOUT
THAT
sp
NOW
I
CAN
HOLD
MY
sp
PEACE
sp
IT
WAS
sp
IT
WAS
sp
FIFTY
FOUR
sp
AGO
sp
THERE'S
sp
YOUR
sp
CLUE
sp
ANYWAY
sp
SO
I
APPEARED
BEFORE
A
JUDGE
sp
THE
ONLY
TIME
WHEN
I'VE
REALLY
BEEN
sp
HE
WAS
sp
JUDGING
sp
ME
sp
YEAH
sp
ANOTHER
TIME
I
sp
MORE
RECENTLY
I
sp
APPEARED
sp
BEFORE
A
JUDGE
AT
sp
NORWICH
AS
sp
A
WI
sp
AS
A
WITNESS
sp
FOR
sp
PEOPLE
WHO
HAVE
sp
BEEN
sp
UNJUSTLY
sp
TREATED
sp
I
ONLY
APPEAR
IN
sp
COURT
sp
WHEN
OTHER
PEOPLE
HAVE
BEEN
UNJUSTLY
sp
TREATED
sp
ER
I'VE
BEEN
BEFORE
sp
WHEN
IT
WAS
THE
sp
ASSIZES
sp
AT
sp
NEWARK
sp
THEN
I
sp
DIDN'T
ANTICIPATE
I
WAS
YANKED
OUT
sp
OF
sp
THE
sp
BACK
OF
THE
sp
COURT
sp
I'D
sp
GONE
THERE
sp
TO
sp
SEE
SOME
sp
PROCEEDINGS
WITH
sp
PEOPLE
I
WAS
sp
INVOLVED
sp
WITH
sp
AND
ALL
OF
A
SUDDEN
THE
sp
BARRISTER
sp
FOR
THE
DEFENDANT
sp
SAID
IS
A
MR
{OOV}
IN
COURT
sp
SO
sp
I
GOT
YANKED
sp
OUT
sp
MM
sp
TO
sp
GO
INTO
THE
WITNESS
sp
BOX
sp
AND
THAT
sp
WAS
INTERESTING
sp
REALLY
sp
BECAUSE
THAT
WAS
A
RECORDER
THEN
NOW
IT'S
NO
LONGER
THAT'S
sp
FINISHED
WITH
NOW
ISN'T
IT
sp
WE
DON'T
sp
HAVE
sp
THE
sp
ASSIZES
sp
TH
sp
THE
sp
CROWN
COURT'S
TAKEN
THE
sp
PLACE
OF
THE
ASSIZES
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
AND
THEN
IT
WAS
A
SHAME
sp
BECAUSE
IT
sp
WAS
sp
VERY
sp
INTERESTING
sp
YES
sp
YOU
sp
HAVE
A
JUDGE
NOW
AT
sp
THE
sp
OF
sp
THE
CROWN
sp
COURT
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
ANY
ANYWAY
sp
I
APPEARED
THERE
sp
THIS
sp
WAS
INTERESTING
BECAUSE
sp
BEING
A
sp
FRIEND
I
DIDN'T
sp
SWEAR
ON
THE
BIBLE
IT'S
SOMETHING
THAT'S
NOT
sp
BROUGHT
sp
UP
IN
THESE
NOTES
YOU
DON'T
THINK
IT'S
QUITE
AN
IMPORTANT
sp
THING
sp
REALLY
SO
sp
THE
CLERK
sp
OF
sp
THE
COURT
WITH
HIS
sp
BIBLE
sp
WOULD
YOU
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
REPEAT
sp
THIS
sp
SO
I
SAID
I'M
SORRY
NO
I'M
IS
sp
IT
sp
THE
LAW
OFFICER
SPUR
OF
THE
MOMENT
I
MEAN
I
DIDN'T
KNOW
I
WAS
GON
NA
sp
FINISH
UP
THERE
sp
I
SAID
I'M
sp
SORRY
I'M
A
QUAKER
I
I
sp
WILL
NOT
sp
WE
DON'T
BELIEVE
IN
DOUBLE
sp
STANDARDS
sp
MM
sp
AND
ERM
THE
sp
THE
sp
CLERK
WAS
IN
A
FLAT
sp
SPIN
sp
BECAUSE
HE
HADN'T
GOT
A
sp
CARD
WHICH
sp
SAID
I
sp
AFFIRM
THAT
sp
WHAT
I
sp
SAY
IS
sp
THE
TRUTH
THE
WHOLE
sp
TRUTH
AND
NOTHING
sp
BUT
THE
sp
TRUTH
sp
AND
THE
RECORDER
HIMSELF
sp
WAS
sp
WAS
ABOUT
sp
WHO
GOT
A
sp
PAPER
sp
FOR
ME
TO
READ
OUT
sp
THEN
sp
SO
THAT
WAS
sp
THE
TIME
I'VE
BEEN
BEFORE
A
RECORDER
ER
sp
THE
sp
MAGISTRATE
S
sp
COURT
sp
I'VE
sp
BEEN
sp
TO
sp
TWICE
sp
THE
LAST
sp
TIME
IN
NORWICH
ABOUT
sp
SIX
sp
YEARS
sp
AGO
sp
AND
THEN
THERE
WERE
sp
FIVE
MAGISTRATES
sp
OUT
AND
THE
sp
SITTINGS
WENT
ON
sp
FOR
BETWEEN
sp
TWO
AND
sp
THREE
sp
DAYS
sp
THE
NORWICH
CITY
COUNCIL
sp
WANTED
sp
TO
sp
GET
sp
A
LICENCE
sp
TO
BE
ABLE
TO
sp
SELL
INTOXICANTS
sp
AT
A
NEW
sp
POP
sp
CENTRE
THEY
WERE
sp
GOING
sp
TO
OPEN
sp
MAINLY
sp
FOR
YOUNG
sp
PEOPLE
sp
AND
sp
{OOV}
WAS
A
sp
MEMBER
OF
THE
LABOUR
sp
PARTY
sp
INCIDENTALLY
sp
AND
sp
AND
A
sp
COUNTY
sp
COUNCILLOR
sp
ONE
OF
sp
THE
CITY
sp
WARDS
sp
HAD
THE
CHEEK
sp
TO
GO
AND
sp
OPPOSE
sp
THE
WHOLE
OF
sp
NORWICH
sp
CITY
sp
COUNCIL
sp
I
sp
WAS
NEARLY
CHUCKED
sp
OUT
sp
FOR
THAT
I
LEFT
BEFORE
THEY
COULD
sp
CHUCK
sp
ME
sp
OUT
sp
ACTUALLY
sp
ER
sp
AND
I
GOT
UP
AND
sp
I
sp
PROTESTED
ABOUT
sp
IT
ON
THE
sp
GROUNDS
sp
THAT
sp
IF
THEY
COULDN'T
sp
RUN
sp
A
GREAT
BIG
sp
POP
sp
HALL
sp
FOR
sp
AND
I
WHOLLY
AGREED
sp
WITH
THE
IDEA
OF
OF
sp
THEM
sp
PROVIDING
sp
THE
sp
FACILITY
COULD
sp
HAVE
SAID
IF
sp
IF
sp
IF
sp
THE
sp
FINANCES
OF
sp
THAT
sp
DEPENDS
ON
sp
SELLING
ALCOHOL
sp
THEN
I
sp
THINK
IT'S
sp
TIME
NORWICH
CITY
sp
COUNCIL
sp
MADE
A
STAND
AND
sp
SAY
WE'RE
ONLY
GOING
TO
sp
SELL
NON
ALCOHOLIC
sp
DRINKS
sp
MM
sp
FIRM
sp
THERE
INCIDENTALLY
ER
THAT'S
SURPRISED
ME
sp
GOING
TO
A
MAR
sp
COURT
A
A
sp
A
sp
COURT
LIKE
sp
THAT
sp
PURELY
WHEN
IT
sp
WAS
A
A
sp
APPLICATION
sp
FOR
sp
A
ER
DRINK
sp
LICENCE
sp
AND
sp
STILL
HAVE
sp
TO
sp
ER
ER
ERM
sp
THE
sp
OTHER
TIME
WAS
sp
AND
sp
THIS
ISN'T
A
sp
POINT
EITHER
MADE
IN
THE
sp
NOTES
sp
ERM
sp
WHEN
sp
I
WAS
sp
AT
sp
WELLS
sp
NEXT
sp
THE
SEA
sp
I
sp
HAD
sp
BEEN
sp
THE
FIRST
sp
CHAIRMAN
OF
sp
WELLS
NEXT
THE
SEA
sp
TOWN
sp
COUNCIL
sp
BUT
sp
TWO
OR
THREE
YEARS
sp
AFTERWARDS
sp
WE
DECIDED
sp
TO
TURN
ER
sp
THE
sp
OLD
CINEMA
sp
THEY
WANTED
sp
TO
TURN
THE
OLD
sp
CINEMA
sp
INTO
A
DANCE
sp
HALL
sp
I
WAS
AN
ORDINARY
MEMBER
OF
THE
sp
COUNCIL
FOR
sp
THAT
I
HAD
sp
DONE
ME
TWO
YEARS
sp
CHAIRMANSHIP
AND
sp
HERE
AGAIN
I
WAS
NAUGHTY
REALLY
sp
CONSIDERED
sp
NAUGHTY
sp
BUT
NEXT
sp
TO
THE
DANCE
sp
HALL
IF
sp
WE'D
GIVEN
THEM
THE
LICENCE
TO
sp
HA
TURN
sp
THE
sp
CINEMA
sp
INTO
A
DANCE
HALL
sp
THERE
WAS
THIS
LITTLE
OLD
BOY
WHO
LIVED
JUST
sp
THE
OTHER
sp
SIDE
OF
THE
ROAD
IN
AN
OLD
COTTAGE
sp
AND
sp
HE
sp
WAS
OVER
EIGHTY
sp
I
KNEW
sp
HE
sp
I
DIDN'T
KNOW
HIM
sp
I
DIDN'T
KNOW
HIM
sp
BUT
I
DO
GO
AND
sp
SEE
HIM
sp
WHEN
I
sp
SAW
sp
THIS
sp
CASE
WAS
sp
COVERED
UP
sp
AND
IT
sp
SEEMS
TO
BE
UTTERLY
UNREASONABLE
sp
THAT
THIS
sp
POOR
OLD
sp
CHAP
WAS
sp
GOING
TO
HAVE
sp
DOORS
SLAMMING
AND
sp
BANGING
AND
THEN
sp
PEOPLE
COMING
OUT
sp
THE
DANCE
ABOUT
sp
MIDNIGHT
sp
AND
HIS
WHOLE
LIFE
sp
BEING
DISRUPTED
sp
SO
I
I
sp
TURNED
ON
THERE
sp
UNKNOWN
sp
TO
MY
OWN
sp
COUNCIL
OH
sp
THEY
sp
WERE
CROSS
sp
WITH
sp
ME
AND
I
WENT
sp
TO
THE
MAGISTRATES
sp
AND
ACTED
sp
AND
sp
AND
sp
GAVE
WITNESS
ON
BEHALF
sp
OF
sp
THIS
OLD
GENTLEMAN
sp
THE
TOWN
COUNCIL
WERE
SO
STUPID
THERE
sp
WE
sp
THEY'RE
sp
THE
MAGISTRATE
sp
THREW
IT
sp
OUT
sp
SAID
NO
YOU
CAN'T
HAVE
sp
A
LICENCE
sp
BECAUSE
IT'D
BE
sp
TOO
BIG
A
sp
PUBLIC
NUISANCE
sp
THEY
DECIDED
sp
TO
sp
APPEAL
sp
SO
THEN
{OOV}
sp
APPEARS
sp
AT
NORWICH
sp
CROWN
sp
COURT
sp
NOW
THE
sp
CASE
sp
BEFORE
US
WAS
A
CRIMINAL
sp
CASE
sp
SO
THAT
THE
sp
CROWN
COURT
sp
CAN
DEAL
WITH
CIVIC
sp
CASES
sp
AS
sp
WELL
AS
CRIMINAL
CASES
COS
OUR
CAS
sp
THE
NEXT
ONE
WAS
OURS
sp
AND
I
sp
FORGET
THE
NAME
sp
IT'S
sp
THE
sp
CHAPPIE
WAS
STILL
JUDGE
sp
THERE
sp
COS
I
SAW
HIS
NAME
RECENTLY
sp
BUT
WHEN
I
WENT
UP
sp
TO
ER
sp
WAS
sp
CALLED
AS
A
WITNESS
sp
I
THIS
WAS
I
sp
AMAZED
sp
ME
THE
JURY
JUDGE
SAID
I
WISH
sp
TO
sp
AFFIRM
sp
HE
WANTED
sp
TO
KNOW
sp
WHY
sp
WELL
I
RECKON
THAT'S
A
BIT
OF
A
sp
CHEEK
sp
REALLY
IF
YOU
sp
PREFER
TO
sp
AFFIRM
AND
sp
SWEAR
ON
THE
BIBLE
I
DON'T
SEE
WHY
THEY
sp
SHOULD
sp
CHALLENGE
sp
WHY
YOU
WANT
TO
sp
DO
sp
ONE
OR
sp
THE
OTHER
MM
sp
SO
I
SAID
I'M
A
QUAKER
sp
OH
sp
THAT'S
ALRIGHT
THEN
sp
MR
sp
{OOV}
SO
I
THINK
sp
WE
sp
ERM
ANYWAY
sp
THE
WELLS
sp
COUNCIL
LOST
sp
IT'S
sp
CASE
sp
AND
{OOV}
WAS
sp
REALLY
IN
THE
BAD
sp
BOOKS
sp
OVER
sp
THAT
sp
BUT
ER
sp
SO
I'VE
APPEARED
IN
THESE
sp
PLACES
sp
PURELY
BECAUSE
sp
I'M
sp
INJUSTICE
sp
YOU
KNOW
STIRS
sp
ME
UP
sp
AND
IT'S
NO
GOOD
MOANING
SO
{OOV}
HAS
TO
sp
GO
AND
DO
sp
SOMETHING
ABOUT
IT
sp
MM
MM
sp
AND
GET
INTO
sp
TROUBLE
ER
sp
BUT
I
HOPE
sp
FOR
THE
sp
FOR
THE
sp
FOR
THE
RIGHT
sp
CAUSE
sp
SO
THAT'S
sp
WHY
I'VE
BEEN
RATHER
ER
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
HAD
QUITE
A
BIT
OF
sp
EX
EXPERIENCE
IN
THE
COURT
sp
WHICH
IS
ANOTHER
sp
POINT
sp
REALLY
sp
THAT
sp
PEOPLE
I
sp
FIND
sp
EVEN
IF
sp
THEY
sp
APPEAL
sp
FOR
WITNESSES
sp
ABOUT
sp
SOMETHING
sp
THAT'S
sp
GONE
WRONG
sp
PEOPLE
ARE
VERY
sp
HESITANT
sp
THE
MAJORITY
OF
sp
PEOPLE
sp
IN
THE
COMMUNITY
sp
ARE
sp
FRIGHTENED
OF
sp
BEING
sp
WITNESSES
sp
MM
sp
AND
UNLESS
sp
WE
ARE
sp
PREPARED
sp
TO
YOU
KNOW
sp
TO
DO
sp
THIS
sp
ER
sp
WE
CAN'T
COMPLAIN
sp
IF
sp
THERE
IS
sp
INJUSTICE
sp
IT
sp
SEEMS
sp
TO
sp
ME
NOW
sp
TODAY
sp
I'M
GOING
TO
BREAK
AWAY
FROM
THE
NOTES
A
LITTLE
BIT
sp
COS
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
THERE'S
sp
SO
MANY
THINGS
YOU
COULD
sp
BRING
WE
sp
COULD
sp
BRING
IN
AND
I
sp
THINK
SOME
OF
THE
sp
POINTS
sp
MADE
sp
IN
THE
NOTES
sp
WILL
NATURALLY
sp
COME
OUT
sp
IN
OUR
DISCUSSION
sp
ER
sp
TODAY
sp
AND
EVERY
DAY
ALMOST
A
sp
QUESTION
OF
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
AT
THE
MOMENT
THERE
IS
sp
THIS
sp
BUSINESS
sp
GOING
ON
sp
ER
sp
IN
sp
IN
LONDON
sp
AT
sp
STOKE
sp
NEWINGTON
sp
OVER
sp
THE
sp
FACT
sp
THAT
sp
THE
sp
CHARGES
sp
AGAINST
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
FOR
CORRUPTION
sp
BEING
INVOLVED
sp
WITH
ALL
sp
SORTS
sp
OF
sp
THINGS
THAT
sp
THEY
sp
SHOULDN'T
sp
ER
AND
WE
ARE
LIVING
sp
THROUGH
A
sp
TIME
sp
WHERE
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
IS
sp
HAVING
TO
sp
FIGHT
sp
A
sp
BATTLE
sp
FOR
IT'S
sp
OWN
sp
RESPECT
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
WERE
ORIGINALLY
sp
FORMED
sp
FROM
THE
sp
COMMUNITY
sp
TO
REPRESENT
sp
THE
sp
COMMUNITY
ER
AND
TO
PROTECT
sp
THE
sp
COMMUNITY
sp
THAT
sp
THAT'S
sp
HOW
sp
IT
sp
IT
sp
STARTED
sp
THAT'S
sp
WHY
THEY
WEREN'T
sp
PART
sp
OF
THE
sp
FORCE
IS
sp
POLICE
sp
WERE
sp
PART
sp
OF
A
CO
sp
COMMUNITY
sp
AND
THEREFORE
sp
TO
sp
HAVE
RESPECT
sp
FOR
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
SEEMS
TO
ME
sp
QUITE
sp
VITAL
IF
sp
WE
ARE
sp
TO
sp
HAVE
sp
A
REAL
sp
SENSE
sp
OF
OF
OF
sp
JUSTICE
sp
AND
sp
AND
sp
FAIRNESS
sp
I
WONDER
WHAT
YOUR
sp
VIEWS
ARE
OR
WH
sp
WHAT
sp
CAN
sp
BE
sp
DONE
sp
OR
WHETHER
sp
ANYTHING
sp
CAN
sp
BE
sp
DONE
sp
ER
TO
REBUILD
sp
THE
RESPECT
sp
FOR
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
WELL
sp
THAT
WOULD
sp
BEGIN
I
sp
THINK
sp
ER
sp
IN
THE
HOME
sp
TEACHING
YOUNG
sp
CHILDREN
sp
THE
sp
RIGHT
sp
FROM
WRONG
sp
AND
sp
WHY
sp
THE
POLICE
ARE
THERE
sp
AND
ACCEPTING
sp
THEM
AS
sp
FRIENDS
sp
LIKE
sp
WE
DID
WHEN
sp
I
LIVED
IN
THE
VILLAGE
sp
THE
sp
POLICEMAN
sp
KNEW
EVERYBODY
AND
HE
WAS
A
VERY
NICE
MAN
sp
VERY
sp
FIRM
sp
AND
HE
sp
WOULD
sp
DEAL
WITH
sp
MINOR
sp
YOUTH
sp
TROUBLES
sp
YOU
KNOW
WHEN
sp
WE
sp
GOT
sp
THE
SPATE
OF
sp
TROUBLE
sp
EVERY
NOW
AND
THEN
sp
GIVE
YOU
sp
CLIP
ON
EAR
sp
HE
KNEW
WHERE
THEY
WERE
AND
HE
USED
sp
TO
sp
JOLLY
WELL
sp
THAT'S
RIGHT
sp
ER
GIVE
THEM
A
GOOD
sp
CLOUT
AND
ALSO
sp
YEAH
SEE
THE
FATHERS
AND
MOTHERS
AND
sp
TELL
THEM
sp
YOU
sp
SEE
WE
sp
WE'VE
HAD
ENOUGH
OF
sp
THIS
sp
LOT
sp
WERE
NOT
HAVING
ANY
MORE
sp
WE
NEVER
HAD
ANY
SERIOUS
sp
TROUBLE
sp
AT
ALL
COS
IT
WAS
sp
NIPPED
IN
THE
BUD
sp
THE
LOCAL
sp
POLICEMAN
sp
TOOK
IT
IN
HAND
sp
AND
sp
NOBODY
GRUMBLED
IF
HE
GAVE
THEM
A
GOOD
sp
CLOUT
sp
NO
WELL
HOW
MANY
OF
US
sp
KNOW
OUR
LOCAL
sp
POLICEMAN
sp
WE
DID
HE
USED
TO
COME
INTO
OUR
YES
BUT
HOW
MANY
sp
OF
US
sp
NOW
sp
KNOW
OUR
LO
LOCAL
sp
POLICEMAN
YES
YEAH
YES
HOW
MANY
OF
US
NOW
YES
MOST
DAYS
sp
HAVE
YOU
GOT
THE
LOCAL
POLICE
sp
WE
DON'T
KNOW
YES
sp
I'VE
NEVER
sp
SEEN
ONE
WE
DON'T
KNOW
NOBODY
EVER
sp
TELLS
sp
US
NO
I
sp
SOMETIMES
sp
SEE
THEM
GO
RIGHT
DOWN
sp
OUR
sp
STREET
sp
IN
TWOS
sp
THERE
IS
ONE
ISN'T
THERE
NEARLY
ALWAYS
LOOKING
AT
THE
CARS
sp
THERE'S
A
POLICE
sp
CAR
sp
COMES
UP
sp
HERE
AT
TWELVE
sp
O'CLOCK
sp
EVERY
sp
NIGHT
sp
IT
TU
IT
COMES
sp
UP
VERY
sp
QUIETLY
sp
IT
sp
TURNS
AT
sp
THE
TOP
sp
AND
GOES
sp
STRAIGHT
WELL
sp
THAT'S
MUCH
USE
sp
FROM
THE
sp
POINT
OF
VIEW
OF
GETTING
sp
TO
KNOW
HIM
IS
IT
NO
NO
ERM
THERE'S
A
LOCAL
sp
POLICEMAN
sp
ER
IN
sp
THE
AREA
AROUND
sp
OUR
sp
CHURCH
sp
HE'S
COME
TO
SPEAK
FINISH
sp
IN
A
LITTLE
WHILE
BUT
sp
ER
sp
TALK
ABOUT
HIS
WORK
BUT
IT'S
I
THINK
IT'S
THE
EXCEPTION
ERM
sp
YOU
sp
NEVER
SEE
sp
A
POLICEMAN
AT
sp
ALL
IF
YOU
sp
WERE
IF
YOU
sp
AND
sp
THEY
ALL
SAY
WHAT
A
VERY
NICE
sp
MAN
sp
HE
IS
sp
TOO
sp
YOU
KNOW
I
WONDER
WHAT
WOULD
sp
HAPPEN
IF
sp
YOU
WENT
sp
ALONG
sp
TO
THE
sp
NORFOLK
sp
STREET
sp
POLICE
STATION
AND
sp
SAID
sp
WILL
YOU
PLEASE
GIVE
US
sp
THE
NAME
OF
OUR
LOCAL
sp
POLICEMAN
sp
I
WONDER
IF
THEY
sp
WOULD
sp
TELL
sp
YOU
sp
OF
sp
GIVE
YOU
ANY
I'M
SURE
THEY
sp
WOULD
YES
sp
I'M
sp
SURE
sp
YOU
THINK
THEY
WOULD
I
MEAN
WE
sp
WE
HAVE
ER
COM
sp
WHAT
THEY
THEY
CALL
sp
THE
sp
COMMUNITY
CONSTABLE
sp
YEAH
sp
MM
ERM
sp
AND
sp
HE'S
sp
NAME'S
sp
KEITH
sp
SOMETHING
MM
ER
AND
IF
EVER
AN
sp
INCIDENT
HAPPENS
sp
IN
sp
OUR
sp
PART
OF
sp
LEICESTER
sp
AND
sp
THERE'S
A
sp
POLICE
sp
STATEMENT
ABOUT
sp
IT
IT'S
USUALLY
sp
QUOTING
HIM
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
HE'S
HE'S
sp
BEEN
sp
INVOLVED
DEALING
sp
WITH
THE
sp
CASE
sp
AND
HE'S
sp
TOLD
sp
THE
sp
PRESS
sp
SOMETHING
sp
ABOUT
WHAT'S
sp
GOING
sp
ON
sp
MM
sp
WH
sp
ER
I
MEAN
WE
HAVE
sp
MET
HIM
sp
ONCE
sp
OR
sp
TWICE
sp
BUT
sp
THAT'S
AS
MUCH
AS
sp
I
sp
CAN
SAY
sp
AND
IT'S
BEEN
ER
SU
SUCH
sp
A
SPAN
sp
OF
TIME
sp
THAT
sp
I
DON'T
EVEN
sp
KNOW
sp
NOW
WHETHER
sp
I
WOULD
RECOGNISE
sp
HIM
sp
WALKING
ALONG
THE
sp
STREET
sp
EVEN
THOUGH
I
HAVE
MET
HIM
A
COUPLE
sp
OF
TIMES
sp
WHAT
WOULD
sp
HAPPEN
sp
IF
sp
WE
WERE
sp
TO
sp
INVITE
sp
A
sp
POLICEMAN
TO
sp
COME
AND
ADDRESS
sp
THIS
sp
GROUP
sp
I
sp
THINK
HE'D
COME
sp
I
THINK
HE'D
BE
PLEASED
sp
TO
DO
IT
YES
YES
sp
THEY
sp
WOULD
sp
WELL
THAT'S
A
sp
PRACTICAL
sp
THING
THEY
sp
CAN
DO
ISN'T
IT
sp
MM
MM
sp
WELL
sp
WE
DID
A
FEW
YEARS
sp
AGO
MM
sp
DIDN'T
HE
sp
DID
YOU
MM
sp
MM
sp
ER
sp
THEY
THEY
THEY
CUT
sp
DOWN
AT
sp
NORFOLK
sp
STREET
YOU
sp
KNOW
I
sp
MEAN
IT'S
sp
NOT
sp
MANNED
sp
NEARLY
AS
sp
OFTEN
sp
AS
sp
IT
sp
USED
sp
TO
sp
BE
sp
NO
THEY'VE
CUT
US
sp
DOWN
AND
DIFFERENT
HOURS
NO
sp
THERE'S
THE
sp
ONE
sp
WHERE
sp
WE
USED
TO
LIVE
BUT
I
MEAN
ON
THE
POLICE
sp
THERE
sp
AND
I
MEAN
sp
THAT'S
sp
THE
sp
PROBLEM
sp
THEY'VE
sp
CUT
sp
DOWN
sp
MM
sp
INSTEAD
OF
HAVING
sp
MORE
WE'VE
sp
GOT
LESS
YEAH
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
I
THINK
sp
WE'VE
BEEN
TALKING
sp
ABOUT
sp
TWO
sp
DIFFERENT
INTERPRETATIONS
sp
OF
sp
THE
sp
WORD
sp
RESPECT
sp
IN
MUCH
sp
THE
sp
SAME
WAY
AS
sp
PEOPLE
sp
TALK
sp
ABOUT
sp
BEING
sp
GOD
sp
FEARING
sp
WHEN
sp
WHEN
YOU
TALK
ABOUT
sp
FEARING
sp
GOD
sp
YOU'RE
sp
NOT
sp
REALLY
sp
TALKING
ABOUT
sp
BEING
sp
FRIGHTENED
OF
sp
HIM
sp
YOU'RE
TALKING
ABOUT
sp
PAYING
ATTENTION
AND
sp
DOING
sp
WHAT
sp
HE
sp
WANTS
sp
YOU
sp
TO
DO
AND
IN
sp
THE
SAME
WAY
sp
INTERPRETATION
OF
THE
sp
WORD
sp
RESPECT
sp
WAS
sp
THAT
sp
YOU
sp
PAID
sp
ATTENTION
TO
sp
THE
LOCAL
sp
BOBBY
sp
MM
sp
BECAUSE
YOU
KNEW
HE
MEANT
sp
BUSINESS
sp
AND
sp
HE
sp
WOULD
sp
ACHIEVE
sp
HIS
END
AND
sp
LIVING
IN
THE
AREA
WITH
HIM
sp
YES
sp
BUT
THERE'S
US
THERE'S
ANOTHER
sp
MEANING
sp
TO
sp
THE
WORD
RESPECT
sp
WHICH
IS
sp
WHAT
IS
sp
SHOWN
UP
sp
BY
THE
sp
STOKE
sp
NEWINGTON
sp
INCIDENT
sp
AND
OTHER
SIMILAR
INCIDENTS
sp
IN
THAT
sp
YOU
CAN
ONLY
RESPECT
sp
SOMEBODY
sp
IF
sp
THEY
ACTUALLY
sp
LIVE
UP
sp
TO
sp
THE
sp
STANDARDS
sp
THAT
sp
THEY
sp
ACTUALLY
HOLD
OUT
sp
TO
THE
REST
sp
OF
sp
YOU
AND
I
MEAN
IT
sp
THERE
IS
NOTHING
sp
WORSE
sp
FOR
SOMEONE
WHO
IS
sp
SUPPOSED
TO
BE
sp
UPHOLDING
sp
THE
LAW
sp
TO
BE
sp
FOUND
sp
NOT
sp
THEMSELVES
LETTING
IT
DOWN
sp
I
AGREE
WITH
sp
THAT
AND
I
MEAN
THAT
I
THINK
THAT'S
sp
THE
sp
SORT
OF
RESPECT
sp
WHICH
IS
sp
DRAINING
AWAY
VERY
sp
QUICKLY
sp
MM
YOU
KNOW
sp
WITH
EVERY
INCIDENT
sp
THAT
GETS
sp
PUBLICISED
sp
IT
sp
WEAKENS
sp
THEIR
sp
POSITION
sp
EVEN
sp
MORE
YES
THAT'S
THE
OTHER
SIDE
OF
THE
sp
COIN
ISN'T
IT
I
MEAN
sp
WE
sp
WE
SHOULD
sp
TEACH
sp
OUR
YOUNG
sp
PEOPLE
TO
RESPECT
sp
THE
POLICE
AT
sp
AT
sp
THE
sp
SAME
sp
TIME
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
SHOULD
sp
BE
READY
sp
TO
EARN
sp
THEIR
sp
RESPECT
sp
YES
QUITE
sp
I
THINK
MOST
OF
THEM
sp
ARE
BUT
IT'S
IT'S
UP
IT'S
UP
TO
THEM
TO
sp
CLEAN
THEIR
ACT
UP
IT'S
THE
sp
MINORITY
sp
THAT
sp
YEAH
sp
GET
sp
IN
sp
PAPERS
sp
AND
WE
READ
ALL
ABOUT
I
sp
MEAN
IT
IT'S
THE
SAME
IN
EVERY
SITUATION
ISN'T
IT
sp
THAT
THE
FEW
IT
sp
IS
sp
IT
IS
sp
CAN
sp
SPOIL
IT
FOR
sp
THE
MANY
OH
sp
YES
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
WE
sp
MIGHT
sp
REMIND
sp
OURSELVES
THAT
sp
JUSTICE
sp
BEGINS
IN
sp
COURT
sp
NOT
ON
sp
THE
sp
STREET
sp
NO
I
sp
THINK
IF
WE
ARE
NOT
TALKING
ABOUT
sp
THE
POLICE
sp
WE
ARE
sp
TALKING
ABOUT
sp
JUSTICE
sp
FOR
sp
ALL
sp
IF
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
START
sp
TRYING
sp
TO
sp
ADMINISTER
sp
JUSTICE
sp
IN
THE
WAY
sp
OF
sp
TRYING
sp
BY
sp
PLANTING
sp
DRUGS
ON
sp
INNOCENT
sp
PEOPLE
sp
FOR
EXAMPLE
sp
OH
YEAH
WHILE
sp
THEY
sp
WELL
sp
WE
CAN
sp
SAY
THAT
THE
sp
POLICE
ARE
sp
BEING
sp
UNJUST
sp
BUT
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
HAVE
sp
NOTHING
TO
DO
sp
WITH
sp
JUSTICE
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
ARE
ONLY
sp
CONCERNED
sp
WITH
sp
CATCHING
sp
THE
OFFENDER
AND
DELIVERING
sp
HIM
sp
OR
sp
HER
sp
TO
THE
LAW
sp
SO
THAT
sp
JUSTICE
sp
CAN
sp
BE
DONE
sp
THAT'S
sp
NOT
sp
STRICTLY
sp
TRUE
sp
BECAUSE
sp
IN
sp
OUR
COUNTRY
sp
THE
POLICE
sp
ARE
ALSO
INVOLVED
sp
IN
sp
GATHERING
sp
EVIDENCE
sp
WHICH
IS
sp
LARGELY
PUT
sp
TO
sp
THE
SERVICE
sp
OF
THE
PROSECUTION
sp
RATHER
sp
THAN
THE
sp
DEFENCE
sp
SO
THEY
AN
sp
INVIDIOUS
sp
POSITION
IN
sp
THIS
COUNTRY
sp
THAT
THEY
ARE
NOT
ONLY
sp
CATCHING
sp
THE
SUSPECT
sp
BUT
THEY'RE
ALSO
sp
SIDING
AGAINST
sp
THE
sp
SUSPECT
sp
EVEN
BEFORE
HE'S
GONE
ON
TRIAL
sp
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
sp
THIS
I
THINK
sp
WAS
sp
THE
sp
POINT
sp
THAT
{OOV}
WAS
sp
TRYING
TO
sp
POINT
sp
OUT
sp
ABOUT
THE
sp
SCOTTISH
SYSTEM
AND
sp
THE
sp
FRENCH
SYSTEM
sp
THAT
THEY
HAVE
sp
THIS
sp
INDEPENDENT
sp
INVESTIGATING
sp
MAGISTRATES
sp
STRUCTURE
SO
sp
THAT
ERM
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
DON'T
sp
SO
MUCH
sp
BECOME
sp
INVOLVED
IN
sp
ONE
sp
SIDE
OF
THE
sp
CASE
sp
BUT
WHATEVER
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
DISCOVER
sp
ERM
sp
IS
sp
MADE
AVAILABLE
sp
TO
sp
BOTH
sp
SIDES
sp
MORE
sp
READILY
sp
YEAH
AND
sp
HOPEFULLY
sp
JUSTICE
sp
IS
sp
IS
sp
DONE
AND
IF
WE'RE
sp
GON
NA
sp
START
sp
TALKING
ABOUT
sp
PAYING
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
BY
RESULTS
sp
THAT'S
sp
GOING
TO
sp
ENCOURAGE
sp
THEM
ISN'T
sp
IT
sp
TO
ER
sp
TO
sp
TO
sp
PRESS
sp
FOR
sp
FOR
sp
FOR
sp
CONVICTION
sp
WELL
THIS
sp
IS
sp
THIS
IS
{OOV}
POINT
sp
ISN'T
sp
IT
YES
sp
THAT
THEY'RE
REALLY
sp
THEY'RE
sp
TO
ARREST
sp
FIRST
AND
sp
FOREMOST
THEY'RE
sp
THEY'RE
TO
ARREST
sp
THE
sp
SUSPECT
sp
AND
BRING
THAT
PERSON
sp
BEFORE
THE
sp
ER
sp
JUDGING
MAGISTRATE
sp
OR
sp
THE
JUDGE
sp
WHATEVER
THE
CASE
sp
MAY
sp
BE
sp
AND
THE
AND
{OOV}
HAS
sp
MADE
sp
MADE
sp
OUT
sp
THAT
IT
sp
IS
A
DISADVANTAGE
sp
THEREFORE
IF
THEY
ARE
ALSO
EXPECTED
sp
TO
BRING
EVIDENCE
sp
AS
sp
FOR
THE
sp
PROSECUTION
THAT'S
RIGHT
sp
MM
sp
COS
YOU
GET
THE
sp
SITUATION
sp
NOW
WHERE
THEY
sp
CHOOSE
sp
NOT
sp
TO
sp
CHARGE
A
sp
PERSON
sp
BECAUSE
IT
ISN'T
sp
WORTH
sp
IT
sp
BECAUSE
sp
THEY
KNOW
THAT
BY
sp
THE
sp
TIME
sp
HE
sp
GETS
sp
TO
sp
COURT
sp
HE'LL
sp
BE
sp
THROWN
sp
OUT
sp
AND
ALL
sp
THE
TIME
sp
WILL
BE
sp
WASTED
sp
MM
YOU
KNOW
sp
SO
IS
IT
THE
MAGISTRATE
WHO
sp
ISSUES
sp
THE
SEARCH
sp
WARRANT
sp
ER
sp
AND
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
GO
IN
sp
AND
sp
SEARCH
sp
THE
sp
HOUSE
sp
FOR
sp
DRUGS
sp
OR
ANYTHING
sp
MM
IS
IT
THE
MAGISTRATE
sp
OR
IT
USED
TO
BE
YEAH
I'M
NOT
SURE
sp
WH
sp
G
WHO
WHO
GRANTS
THE
sp
WARRANT
sp
DO
YOU
NO
NO
sp
USED
TO
BE
THE
sp
MAGISTRATE
sp
AT
ONE
sp
TIME
YES
sp
BUT
I
sp
MEAN
PEOPLE
sp
SEE
sp
THE
POLICE
sp
GO
IN
sp
BREAKING
sp
SOMEBODY'S
sp
DOOR
AND
GOING
sp
IN
NATURALLY
THEY
sp
PROBABLY
sp
THINK
sp
THE
POLICE
ARE
UP
TO
sp
NO
GOOD
THEY
sp
PROBABLY
sp
DON'T
sp
REALISE
sp
WH
THEY'VE
sp
GOT
ER
sp
ER
sp
A
sp
WARRANT
sp
FROM
sp
THE
sp
MAGISTRATE
sp
TO
sp
GO
AND
DO
sp
THAT
MM
OR
EVICT
sp
SOMEONE
THE
sp
POLICE
HAVE
sp
TO
DO
THAT
CAN
I
JUMP
FROM
sp
THIS
sp
THEY'RE
ALL
INTERCONNECTED
sp
OVER
TO
sp
QUESTION
OF
sp
MAGISTRATES
ONE
OF
THE
sp
QUESTIONS
sp
IN
THE
sp
NOTES
REALLY
sp
IT
sp
POINTS
sp
OUT
THAT
sp
THERE
sp
ARE
sp
ABOUT
sp
NOT
QUITE
sp
BUT
sp
ER
sp
ABOUT
sp
TWO
THIRD
sp
OF
sp
MAGISTRATES
sp
ARE
sp
MEN
sp
AND
ABOUT
A
sp
THIRD
sp
WOMEN
sp
ERM
sp
IS
sp
THERE
sp
IS
THAT
sp
BECAUSE
OF
sp
HISTORY
sp
AND
sp
SHALL
sp
BECAUSE
THEY'RE
ARE
MORE
sp
WOMEN
THAN
MEN
I
MEAN
LOGICALLY
sp
BECAUSE
sp
THERE
ARE
sp
MORE
WOMEN
sp
THAN
sp
MEN
IN
sp
THE
sp
COMMUNITY
sp
THERE
SHOULD
BE
MORE
WOMEN
MAGISTRATES
sp
THAN
MEN
sp
SHOULDN'T
THERE
ON
THE
sp
ON
THE
sp
BASIS
sp
OF
sp
PRESENTATION
sp
I
TAKE
IT
sp
THAT
sp
I
DON'T
KNOW
THE
sp
FIGURES
sp
BUT
I
TAKE
IT
sp
THAT
sp
ER
sp
MORE
AND
MORE
WOMEN
NOW
ARE
ER
sp
BEING
sp
ACCEPTING
THE
sp
CALLED
sp
OF
COURSE
sp
TO
sp
BE
sp
MAGISTRATE
YOU
sp
DIDN'T
HAVE
ANY
CHOICE
sp
ONCE
sp
DO
YOU
sp
IN
sp
A
WAY
NO
YOU
CAN'T
VOLUNTEER
sp
YOU
HAVE
TO
BE
YOU
HAVE
sp
TO
BE
CHOSEN
TO
BE
sp
CHOSEN
sp
WOMEN
sp
MM
QUITE
A
LOT
OF
sp
WOMEN
sp
ON
THE
PROSECUTION
sp
SIDE
sp
WELL
sp
LOOK
sp
REPRESENTATIVES
sp
I'VE
KNOWN
sp
THREE
sp
MAGISTRATES
IN
sp
MY
LIFE
sp
ONE
sp
WAS
A
sp
A
sp
A
BUSINESS
MAN
sp
THE
sp
OTHER
sp
WAS
ER
TRADE
UNION
sp
OFFICIAL
AND
sp
THE
OTHER
WAS
A
sp
HOUSEWIFE
sp
WHICH
sp
SEEMED
sp
TO
ME
sp
TO
BE
sp
BADLY
REPRESENTATIVE
sp
YES
sp
OF
sp
IF
YOU
sp
TAKE
THAT
sp
AS
sp
A
AS
sp
A
sp
REASONABLE
sp
EXAMPLE
sp
THE
THE
VARIETY
DOESN'T
MAKE
THE
sp
POINT
sp
THAT
sp
IT
IS
sp
THE
sp
CHANCELLOR
sp
ER
WHO
ER
THE
sp
LORD
CHANCELLOR
I
sp
SHOULD
sp
SAY
sp
WHO
WHO
sp
APPOINTS
sp
MAGISTRATES
sp
BUT
IT
ISN'T
sp
THAT
MAKE
sp
THE
POINT
sp
WHICH
I
THINK
sp
IS
sp
VERY
sp
IMPORTANT
sp
IS
sp
HOW
DO
THE
NAMES
sp
GET
sp
TO
sp
THE
LORD
CHANCELLOR'S
OFFICE
sp
YES
I
WAS
I
WAS
sp
GOING
TO
sp
ASK
THAT
TRY
AND
EXPLAIN
THAT
WELL
IT'S
BOUND
TO
BE
sp
SOME
sp
BODY
BUT
sp
I
MEAN
WHAT
sp
WE
sp
MOVEMENT
sp
COULD
sp
ERM
sp
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
PARTITION
THE
sp
THE
LORD
sp
CHANCELLOR
sp
THAT
sp
WE
sp
THINK
sp
SO
AND
SO
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
WOULD
BE
sp
A
sp
JOLLY
sp
GOOD
sp
MAGISTRATE
sp
BUT
WOULD
sp
WOULD
YOU
FIND
sp
OFTEN
sp
IT'S
sp
THE
sp
ERM
sp
POLITICAL
sp
PARTY
I
MEAN
sp
I
KNOW
sp
TWO
sp
{OOV}
AND
{OOV}
WHO
sp
WERE
BOTH
ERM
sp
NAMES
sp
PUT
sp
FORWARD
BY
sp
THE
LABOUR
sp
PARTY
sp
YES
sp
IN
sp
ROCHFORD
sp
AND
IN
HUDDERSFIELD
YOU
sp
KNOW
sp
MM
sp
THAT'S
A
POINT
I
WAS
GOING
TO
MAKE
BUT
AS
FAR
AS
I
CAN
TELL
IN
EN
MASSE
sp
THE
MAIN
sp
THE
MAIN
NOMINATED
sp
BODIES
HAVE
BEEN
OF
sp
POLITICAL
PARTIES
sp
YES
sp
THEY
OFTEN
HAVE
A
VERY
SMALL
PERCENTAGE
sp
OF
THE
sp
POPULATION
ANYWAY
sp
AND
sp
ER
I'M
GLAD
WE'VE
BROUGHT
THIS
sp
MATTER
UP
BECAUSE
I
sp
THINK
THAT
sp
IS
sp
SOMETHING
WHICH
sp
NEEDS
FURTHER
INVESTIGATION
THAT
THE
THE
ORDINARY
sp
PUBLIC
sp
AND
THE
MANY
LITTLE
sp
OR
THE
sp
MILLIONS
sp
OF
VOLUNTARY
ORGANISATIONS
sp
OUGHT
sp
TO
BE
ENCOURAGED
sp
TO
HAVE
A
MORE
OUTPUT
IN
sp
FORWARDING
NAMES
YES
sp
QUITE
I
AGREE
sp
WE
OUGHT
TO
BE
FORWARDING
NAMES
IF
THERE
WAS
ANYBODY
YOUNG
ENOUGH
sp
FOR
sp
I
sp
AGREE
sp
I
DON'T
KNOW
WHAT
RECORD
THE
ADULT
sp
SCHOOLS
HAVE
OF
NOMINATING
I
DON'T
I
DOUBT
WHETHER
WE'VE
EVER
NOMINATED
sp
ANYBODY
sp
ON
sp
LEICESTERSHIRE
NATIONALLY
sp
I
sp
WOULD
sp
THINK
sp
SO
sp
I
WOULD
sp
BE
sp
VERY
sp
SURPRISED
sp
IF
IT
sp
IT
sp
SMACKS
sp
SURELY
OF
sp
OF
sp
WHETHER
sp
THESE
sp
MANY
sp
OLD
sp
BOY
NETWORKS
sp
THAT
sp
WE'RE
sp
FAMOUS
sp
FOR
sp
IN
sp
THIS
COUNTRY
sp
MM
I
MEAN
IF
YOU
DON'T
sp
TELL
ANYBODY
THAT
sp
THEIR
sp
THAT
THEY
sp
CAN
SUBMIT
sp
NAMES
sp
THEY'RE
NOT
GOING
TO
SUBMIT
sp
NAMES
sp
BECAUSE
THEY
DON'T
sp
THINK
sp
THEY'RE
ELIGIBLE
sp
TO
DO
sp
SO
sp
NO
I
DON'T
AND
SO
THE
WHOLE
sp
THING
sp
PERPETUATES
sp
ITSELF
sp
NO
I
THINK
A
LOT
OF
THE
sp
NOMINATIONS
ARE
MADE
BY
THE
EXISTING
BENCH
sp
SO
IN
THAT
sp
SENSE
sp
IT'S
THAT
sp
WE'RE
INCESTUOUS
sp
YEAH
YES
IT'S
IT'S
THE
OLD
sp
BOY
NETWORK
sp
AGAIN
IN
IN
A
WAY
sp
YEAH
ER
IT'S
I
I
sp
MAYBE
sp
WRONG
ABOUT
THAT
I
MEAN
sp
CAN
WE
CA
WILL
THE
CHANCELLOR
sp
ACCEPT
ER
sp
ER
ER
AP
sp
AN
sp
NOMINATION
sp
FROM
sp
THIS
sp
GROUP
sp
FOR
INSTANCE
OH
YES
sp
OH
YES
sp
OH
YES
sp
OR
OR
A
STREET
OH
YES
sp
WHY
SHOULDN'T
A
sp
STREET
sp
DO
IT
sp
WOULD
HE
sp
OH
OH
YES
sp
BUT
I
sp
DIDN'T
REALISE
sp
THAT
NO
I
MEAN
I
DON'T
WE
DON'T
KNOW
WHAT
THE
PROCESS
IS
sp
OF
GET
sp
YOU
KNOW
THE
sp
STEP
BY
STEP
UNTIL
IT
GETS
sp
TO
THE
CHA
sp
LORD
CHANCELLOR
DO
sp
WE
NO
sp
IT'S
OBVIOUSLY
CIVIL
SERVANTS
sp
DEAL
sp
DEAL
WITH
IT
sp
WHAT'S
YOUR
VIEW
ABOUT
sp
DO
YOU
THINK
THERE
SHOULD
sp
BE
AS
sp
MANY
WOMEN
AS
MEN
AS
sp
MAGISTRATES
sp
NO
I
DON'T
THINK
sp
SO
I
sp
MEAN
sp
PUT
I
sp
THINK
IT'S
DEPENDS
sp
ON
PERSONALITY
sp
AND
sp
CHARACTER
sp
YEAH
IT'S
sp
QUITE
IM
sp
IT'S
sp
QUITE
IMPORTANT
sp
IN
sp
THE
SAME
WAY
THAT
IT'S
sp
QUITE
sp
IMPORTANT
sp
THAT
sp
WE
HAVE
sp
SO
sp
FEW
WOMEN
M
sp
PS
sp
I
MEAN
I
sp
THINK
IT
sp
I
sp
THINK
IT
sp
SAYS
sp
QUITE
sp
A
LOT
sp
ABOUT
OUR
sp
SOCIETY
sp
I'M
NOT
SUGGESTING
sp
THAT
ERM
sp
WOMEN
sp
MAGISTRATES
sp
WOULD
sp
NECESSARILY
sp
BE
ANY
sp
MORE
sp
JUST
sp
THAN
sp
MEN
MAGISTRATES
sp
BUT
sp
ON
sp
THE
OTHER
HAND
IF
sp
THEY
ARE
sp
SUPPOSED
sp
TO
BE
REPRESENTATIVES
sp
OF
sp
OUR
sp
SOCIETY
sp
THEN
THERE'S
OBVIOUSLY
sp
SOMETHING
sp
WRONG
sp
WHEN
sp
THERE
ARE
sp
SO
FEW
WOMEN
COMPARED
sp
WITH
sp
SO
sp
FEW
sp
MEN
sp
JUST
sp
AS
sp
IT'S
sp
WRONG
sp
THAT
THERE
SHOULD
BE
sp
SO
sp
FEW
WOMEN
sp
M
PS
sp
BUT
sp
CAN
BECAUSE
sp
WE
ARE
FIFTY
PER
sp
CENT
sp
IF
sp
NOT
MORE
SO
OF
sp
THE
sp
POPULATION
sp
AT
sp
THE
SAME
sp
TIME
IF
sp
WE
ACCEPT
sp
ACCEPT
sp
THE
sp
PRINCIPLE
OF
sp
THE
EQUALITY
OF
sp
THE
SEXES
THE
PROPORTIONS
sp
NO
LONGER
sp
MATTER
sp
YOU
CAN'T
HAVE
IT
BOTH
sp
WAYS
sp
IF
sp
YOU'RE
THINKING
OF
sp
SOMETHING
LIKE
ADMINISTERING
sp
JUSTICE
sp
I'M
sp
THINKING
sp
GENERAL
sp
NO
I
sp
IF
sp
YOU
LET
ME
FINISH
WHAT
I'M
sp
SAYING
sp
THERE
sp
IS
sp
EVERYBODY
HAS
sp
TO
ACKNOWLEDGE
sp
THAT
sp
THERE
IS
A
sp
DIFFERENCE
sp
IN
sp
THE
INTERPRETATION
sp
OF
sp
WHAT
sp
CONSTITUTES
sp
JUSTICE
AND
sp
ONE
ONLY
HAS
sp
TO
SEE
sp
ER
sp
THE
sp
SORTS
sp
OF
ATTITUDE
sp
THAT
sp
ARE
sp
PUT
sp
ACROSS
sp
BY
sp
CERTAIN
JUDGES
sp
AS
sp
TO
ERM
sp
RAPE
sp
CASES
sp
AND
ABUSE
sp
CASES
sp
AND
HOW
THEY
THE
sp
PRESS
sp
WOULD
sp
HAVE
sp
US
sp
BELIEVE
PAT
PEOPLE
OVER
sp
THE
HEAD
AND
sp
TELL
THEM
sp
TO
GO
sp
AWAY
AND
sp
NOT
DO
IT
sp
AGAIN
I
MEAN
I
sp
THINK
sp
THERE
IS
sp
SOMETHING
THERE
THAT
sp
NEEDS
sp
PURSUING
sp
I'M
NOT
sp
ACCUSING
sp
ALL
sp
JUDGES
sp
OF
sp
BEING
INHERENTLY
sp
YOU
sp
KNOW
sp
NUTTY
OR
WHATEVER
sp
BUT
sp
THE
NUMBER
OF
CASES
THAT
HAVE
sp
COME
sp
TO
LIGHT
IN
sp
THE
sp
LAST
sp
FEW
YEARS
sp
WHETHER
IT'S
sp
BECAUSE
THE
sp
PRESS
sp
HAVE
sp
JUST
sp
DECIDED
sp
TO
sp
HOME
IN
ON
THEM
sp
MM
sp
OR
WHETHER
sp
THERE
IS
sp
REALLY
sp
A
sp
SITUATION
sp
THERE
WHICH
sp
PROBABLY
HAS
sp
BEEN
sp
GOING
sp
ON
sp
SINCE
sp
TIME
IN
sp
MEMORIAL
sp
THAT
WE'VE
ONLY
JUST
sp
STARTED
sp
TO
sp
HEAR
ABOUT
sp
IT
sp
MM
sp
WELL
YOU
YOU'RE
sp
YOU
ER
sp
HAVE
sp
US
BELIEVE
ER
RA
RAISES
A
VERY
IMPORTANT
sp
ISSUE
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
I
sp
MEAN
sp
WHAT
sp
WE
KNOW
sp
ABOUT
sp
WHAT
sp
GOES
OFF
sp
IN
sp
THE
COURTS
sp
I
IS
sp
IS
ENTIRELY
DEPENDENT
sp
ON
sp
WHICH
sp
PARTICULAR
sp
REPORTER
HAPPENS
sp
TO
BE
sp
REPORTING
YES
sp
ER
I
sp
MEAN
IF
IF
YOU
TAKE
sp
AN
sp
AN
AVERAGE
sp
CASE
WHICH
sp
MAY
LAST
sp
THREE
OR
sp
FOUR
sp
DAYS
sp
AND
THERE'S
A
LOT
OF
EVIDENCE
sp
OF
sp
ONE
SORT
sp
OR
sp
ANOTHER
THAT'S
sp
HEARD
AND
WEIGHED
sp
AND
sp
CONSIDERED
sp
AND
IT
sp
IT
sp
BOILED
DOWN
TO
ONE
PARAGRAPH
sp
IN
THE
NEWSPAPER
sp
AND
sp
WHO
sp
WHO
CHOOSES
TO
sp
ITS
sp
TO
REPORT
WH
sp
TO
REPORT
sp
WHICH
sp
THE
REPORTER
sp
MM
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
IF
sp
IF
HE'S
GOT
A
sp
PARTICULAR
sp
BIAS
sp
THEN
HE'LL
HE'LL
sp
WEIGHT
HIS
REPORT
sp
IN
sp
THE
FAVOUR
OF
sp
THAT
BIAS
IRRESPECTIVE
sp
OF
WH
sp
WHAT'S
sp
GONE
ON
sp
OVER
THE
WHOLE
sp
PERIOD
OF
sp
THE
sp
TRIAL
sp
SO
IT'S
sp
VERY
DELI
DANGEROUS
I
sp
THINK
sp
TO
sp
TAKE
sp
TOO
sp
MUCH
sp
NOTICE
OF
WHAT
sp
APPEARS
IN
THE
sp
PRESS
sp
IT'S
sp
IT'S
THE
ONLY
THING
YOU
sp
HAVE
sp
IT'S
THE
ONLY
THING
YOU
HAVE
BUT
IF
YOU'RE
TELEVISION
IF
YOU
WERE
IN
COURT
AND
UNDER
sp
TRIAL
YOU
MIGHT
sp
COME
sp
TO
sp
AN
sp
ENTIRELY
DIFFERENT
sp
CONCLUSION
AND
IN
ANY
sp
CASE
IT'S
MOST
LIKELY
sp
THAT
IT
WAS
A
COMPLETELY
MISLEADING
sp
HEADLINE
IN
THE
PRESS
sp
YEAH
YES
sp
YES
sp
CAN
I
I
WOULD
STILL
sp
FIND
IT
sp
VERY
HARD
sp
TO
sp
BELIEVE
sp
THAT
sp
ANY
EVIDENCE
sp
OF
sp
MITIGATION
sp
WOULD
sp
JUSTIFY
A
sp
NON
CUSTODIAL
sp
SENTENCE
sp
TO
sp
SOMEONE
sp
WHO
HAS
sp
BROKEN
sp
TWENTY
THREE
sp
BONES
IN
sp
THEIR
sp
CHILD'S
sp
BODY
MM
MM
sp
MM
sp
A
sp
BABE
IN
ARMS
sp
WHAT
sp
SORT
OF
sp
MITIGATION
sp
COULD
sp
JUSTIFY
sp
THAT
NOTHING
sp
WELL
THAT'S
sp
AMAZING
AND
THAT'S
AN
THAT'S
AN
EXTREME
CASE
I
THINK
I
DON'T
THERE
IS
NO
sp
MITIGATION
sp
FOR
THINGS
sp
LIKE
sp
THAT
THEY
sp
SHOULD
BE
sp
I
THINK
THEY
sp
SHOULD
sp
BE
sp
FINISHED
sp
WE
OUGHT
NOT
TO
sp
HAVE
sp
TO
sp
KEEP
sp
THEM
sp
UNTIL
THEY'RE
ABOUT
sp
SEVENTY
sp
IN
sp
NEARLY
THE
LAP
sp
OF
sp
LUXURY
sp
JUST
sp
TOP
EM
sp
GET
sp
RID
OF
EM
sp
WHAT
HAPPENS
sp
TO
CHRISTIAN
sp
MERCY
THEN
sp
MM
sp
WHAT
HAPPENS
sp
TO
CHRISTIAN
MERCY
sp
THEN
sp
AND
sp
HOPE
THAT
REHABILITATION
sp
TO
sp
DO
IT
sp
SEE
THEM
OFF
sp
IF
I
WAS
sp
ER
sp
AT
sp
THE
TIME
OF
ELIZABETH
SHE'D
HAD
HAD
THEIR
HEAD
OFF
I
I
WOULDN'T
sp
HAVE
sp
THEM
HANGING
OUT
sp
AND
WE'VE
GOT
TO
sp
KEEP
THEM
sp
I
DON'T
BELIEVE
IN
EM
sp
I
sp
BELIEVE
IN
sp
SEEING
THEM
OFF
sp
GETTING
sp
RID
OF
EM
sp
I
MEAN
THEY
ARE
sp
SCUM
AFTER
ALL
sp
PEOPLE
THAT
sp
DO
THESE
DREADFUL
sp
THINGS
sp
WELL
APPARENTLY
THEN
THEY'RE
NOT
FIT
TO
sp
BE
ALIVE
APPARENTLY
sp
SO
sp
BUT
AS
AS
ER
SAYS
BUT
AS
FAR
sp
AS
I'M
sp
CONCERNED
sp
THEY
NOT
sp
THEY
sp
THEY
COULD
sp
HAVE
sp
THEIR
REASONS
sp
WE
MIGHT
HAVE
sp
CAUSED
sp
IT
sp
TO
HAPPEN
TO
sp
THEM
sp
WHEN
I
sp
SAY
sp
WE
I
sp
MEAN
YOU
sp
KNOW
MM
WHAT
THEY'VE
EXPERIENCED
sp
PREVIOUSLY
IN
SOCIETY
IN
SOCIETY
sp
SOCIETY
sp
YES
sp
SOCIETY
CAN
I
CAN
sp
I
CONNECT
THIS
sp
WITH
THE
NOTES
sp
BECAUSE
IT
DOES
sp
RAISE
sp
THE
sp
POINT
sp
ABOUT
ER
sp
THE
sp
JUDGES
sp
WHETHER
THEY
SHOULD
HAVE
RETIRED
sp
ER
EARLIER
sp
AND
IT
ALSO
sp
INVOLVES
ANOTHER
MATTER
I
THINK
sp
THEY
HAVE
COME
IN
FOR
QUITE
A
BIT
OF
STICK
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PARTICULARLY
WHEN
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THEY'VE
BEEN
DEALING
WITH
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RAPE
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CASES
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ER
sp
OF
sp
COURSE
IT
sp
IS
sp
THE
ER
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IT
IS
A
SELF
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{OOV}
sp
SITUATION
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WHERE
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THE
LAW
LORDS
sp
ARE
ARE
THE
HIGHEST
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ER
sp
THE
sp
HIGHEST
LEVEL
sp
OF
sp
JUSTICE
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IN
THE
LAND
AREN'T
THEY
sp
THE
sp
LAW
LORDS
MM
sp
AND
THE
sp
ONE
sp
VERY
MUCH
QUESTIONS
sp
ER
sp
REALLY
THEIR
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SUITABILITY
FOR
TAKING
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SOME
DECISIONS
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AND
I
WOULD
LIKE
sp
TO
KNOW
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YOUR
VIEWS
ABOUT
sp
WHERE
YOU'VE
sp
GOT
sp
RAPE
sp
CASES
sp
WOULDN'T
IT
sp
MAKE
sp
SENSE
sp
IF
sp
THERE
WAS
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A
sp
A
sp
MALE
sp
JUDGE
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AND
A
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FEMALE
sp
JUDGE
sp
TAKING
sp
THE
sp
CASE
sp
NOW
I'VE
NOT
sp
SEEN
THIS
SUGGESTED
sp
BUT
IT
SEEMS
TO
ME
A
sp
FAIR
WAY
OF
DOING
IT
IT
SHOULD
BE
sp
I
THINK
IT
sp
SHOULD
BE
sp
SO
sp
IT
SHOULD
sp
BE
sp
MORE
sp
THAN
sp
ONE
sp
PERSON
sp
DECIDING
sp
IT
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
MM
sp
ARE
WE
THINKING
sp
OF
sp
THE
sp
COURT
sp
OF
sp
APPEAL
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OR
ARE
WE
THINKING
sp
OF
sp
A
sp
TRIAL
sp
BY
sp
JURY
sp
NOW
THERE'S
A
DIFFERENCE
sp
HERE
sp
YES
sp
SOON
AS
YOU
START
sp
TALKING
sp
ABOUT
sp
MORE
THAN
sp
ONE
sp
JUDGE
sp
YOU
YOU
GETTING
sp
INTO
sp
THE
APPEAL
sp
COURT
sp
AREA
sp
AREN'T
YOU
sp
I
I
WAS
THINKING
OF
IT
sp
NOW
AS
sp
AS
sp
NORMALLY
AS
A
NORMAL
CROWN
COURT
sp
CASE
sp
MM
sp
AND
HAVING
TWO
WHERE
NORMALLY
RESIDE
OVER
sp
A
JUDGE
I
sp
MEAN
THERE
AREN'T
MANY
WOMEN
JUDGES
YET
sp
BUT
THERE
ARE
QUI
ER
INCREASING
sp
NUMBERS
OH
YES
sp
AND
I
THINK
IN
RAPE
IT
DOES
SEEM
TO
ME
sp
QUITE
ABSURD
sp
THAT
sp
AN
sp
OLD
GENTLEMAN
OF
SEVENTY
FIVE
SHOULD
sp
BE
JUDGING
sp
IT
MM
sp
NOW
ERM
sp
YEAH
KNOWING
sp
KNOWING
THE
TREMENDOUS
CHANGES
IN
OUR
SOCIETY
sp
HE
CAN'T
REALLY
BE
IN
sp
TOUCH
sp
WITH
sp
THE
TWENTY
YEARS
OLDS
sp
DO
WE
DO
WE
sp
THINK
sp
THAT
sp
GENERALLY
SPEAKING
OUR
JUDGES
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ARE
IN
sp
TOUCH
WITH
sp
PUBLIC
OPINION
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GENERALLY
sp
NO
OR
IS
IT
sp
IS
IT
THAT
sp
THEY'VE
BECOME
A
sp
SORT
OF
EXCLUSIVE
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CLUB
sp
ARISING
sp
AL
ALMOST
ALWAYS
sp
THROUGH
THE
RANKS
OF
sp
THE
sp
OF
THE
LAW
sp
AND
GRADUALLY
GRADUALLY
sp
GOT
sp
WITHDRAWN
sp
FROM
sp
THE
WAY
THAT
ORDINARY
sp
PEOPLE
sp
THINK
sp
AND
sp
FEEL
sp
I
sp
I
sp
I
sp
I
THINK
sp
THAT
THERE
IS
A
sp
PECULIAR
sp
PROBLEM
sp
HERE
sp
AND
sp
AND
sp
THAT
sp
IS
sp
THAT
sp
WHILST
I
WILL
sp
FULLY
AGREE
sp
WITH
sp
{OOV}
sp
THAT
sp
JUDGES
sp
SHOULD
sp
BE
KEPT
sp
OR
sp
KEEP
IN
sp
TOUCH
sp
WITH
sp
THE
USAGES
sp
AND
sp
HABITS
OF
sp
MODERN
sp
SOCIETY
sp
AND
HOW
IT'S
CHANGING
sp
AT
sp
THE
sp
SAME
sp
TIME
sp
IT
IS
ESSENTIALLY
sp
IF
sp
JUSTICE
sp
IS
sp
TO
BE
sp
DONE
AND
THIS
IS
sp
WHAT
sp
WE'RE
sp
TALKING
sp
ABOUT
THAT
A
sp
JUDGE
SHOULD
sp
ALSO
sp
BE
DETACHED
AND
HOW
sp
YOU
sp
CAN
BALANCE
DETACHMENT
WITH
KNOWLEDGE
MM
IT'S
NOT
EASY
MM
IT'S
sp
NOT
EASY
IS
IT
NO
IT'S
sp
NOT
EASY
sp
BY
ANY
MEANS
BUT
sp
THE
DE
THE
HAS
sp
ARISEN
WHERE
A
JUDGE
HAS
sp
PASSED
sp
A
sp
PERSONAL
VIEW
ABOUT
A
WOMAN
sp
HASN'T
HE
sp
THIS
IS
WHAT'S
sp
CAUSED
THE
sp
TROUBLE
YEAH
sp
YES
HE'S
NOT
BEEN
GIVEN
A
LEGAL
sp
DECISION
sp
HE'S
sp
PASSED
AN
OPINION
sp
SAYING
OH
THIS
sp
THIS
sp
WOMAN
sp
WAS
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
ENCOURAGING
THE
MAN
AND
THINGS
LIKE
THAT
sp
AND
THAT'S
WHAT
GETS
sp
PEOPLE'S
sp
BACKS
sp
UP
I
sp
THINK
sp
ONE
WONDERS
sp
HOW
MUCH
sp
ERM
AND
sp
TO
sp
USE
sp
A
sp
WORD
sp
THAT
sp
WOULD
sp
BE
sp
USED
sp
IN
OTHER
AREAS
sp
RETRAINING
GOES
sp
ON
sp
AMONGST
sp
THE
sp
JUDICIARY
sp
OR
DO
THEY
JUST
sp
GET
sp
TO
sp
THIS
sp
PINNACLE
sp
AND
THEN
HOLD
IT
sp
AGAINST
sp
ALL
sp
COMERS
sp
UNTIL
THEY
sp
CHOOSE
sp
TO
sp
RETIRE
sp
I
MEAN
IN
ANY
OTHER
sp
ER
sp
JOB
WHERE
sp
YOU
HAVE
sp
A
sp
PECULIAR
sp
EXPERTISE
sp
LIKE
sp
THAT
sp
YOU
WOULD
BE
sp
EXPECTED
sp
TO
UPDATE
sp
YOURSELF
sp
TO
KEEP
UP
sp
WITH
sp
THE
sp
TRENDS
sp
YOU
WOULD
BE
sp
SENT
AWAY
TO
sp
CONFERENCES
AND
sp
RETRAINING
COURSES
sp
I
THINK
THAT
DOES
HAPPEN
sp
I
MEAN
I
I
I
sp
I
WONDER
HOW
MUCH
sp
DOES
sp
GO
ON
sp
OF
sp
THAT
NATURE
sp
WELL
SOMETHING
sp
GOES
ON
sp
I
sp
I'M
sp
I
sp
DO
KNOW
TH
THERE
sp
WAS
A
REFERENCE
sp
TO
IT
RECENTLY
sp
MHM
sp
ABOUT
A
sp
JUDGES
I
sp
THINK
IT'S
A
ONE
DAY
sp
JUST
A
ONE
DAY
sp
SEMINAR
OR
sp
SOMETHING
sp
LIKE
sp
THAT
MM
WHERE
sp
THEY
sp
HAVE
RETRAINING
BUT
sp
IT
DIDN'T
AMOUNT
TO
VERY
sp
MUCH
sp
I
sp
DIDN'T
sp
THINK
BUT
sp
BUT
sp
AT
sp
THE
SAME
TIME
sp
DISAPPOINTED
sp
FOR
sp
ONE
THING
BECAUSE
HE
IS
EXPERIENCED
sp
YEAH
HE'S
sp
WORKED
HE'S
sp
WAY
UP
sp
THROUGH
sp
VARIOUS
sp
BRANCHES
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OF
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THE
sp
LAW
HE
sp
HE'S
sp
PRACTICALLY
CERTAIN
sp
TO
BEING
sp
A
Q
sp
C
AND
THEN
A
sp
RECORDER
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
MM
sp
WORKED
sp
UP
sp
THE
LADDER
sp
BUT
sp
WHAT'S
sp
REQUIRED
IN
A
sp
JUDGE
I
sp
WOULD
SAY
sp
PUT
sp
PUTTING
FOR
THE
MOMENT
sp
WHAT
WE'VE
JUST
sp
BEEN
sp
DISCUSSING
sp
ON
sp
THE
SIDE
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THAT
IS
sp
ANY
sp
QUESTION
OF
sp
BIAS
sp
OR
sp
SEX
sp
BIAS
sp
A
sp
JUDGE
IS
sp
THERE
sp
IN
sp
COURT
sp
TO
sp
PERFORM
sp
AN
INTELLECTUAL
sp
HE
IS
sp
THERE
TO
LISTEN
sp
TO
THE
EVIDENCE
sp
TO
PRESENT
sp
THE
EVIDENCE
sp
TO
THE
JURY
sp
THE
sp
JURY
THEN
sp
SAY
sp
WHETHER
THE
sp
MAN
IN
THE
DOCK
sp
OR
sp
WOMAN
IN
sp
THE
DOCK
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OR
WHATEVER'S
IN
sp
THE
DOCK
sp
IS
sp
GUILTY
OR
NOT
GUILTY
sp
THE
sp
JUDGE
sp
THEN
sp
BEARING
IN
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MIND
sp
ALL
THAT
sp
HE
KNOWS
sp
AND
ALL
THAT
HE'S
sp
BEEN
sp
TOLD
sp
ABOUT
sp
THE
sp
GUILTY
PERSON
sp
PROCEEDS
sp
TO
sp
PASS
sp
SENTENCE
sp
NOW
I
SAY
THAT
THAT
IS
AN
INTELLECTUAL
EXERCISE
AS
SOON
AS
IT
sp
BECOMES
sp
AN
EMOTIONAL
EXERCISE
sp
THAT'S
THE
END
OF
sp
JUSTICE
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
sp
YEAH
YEAH
sp
OR
IT
COULD
sp
BE
THE
sp
BEGINNING
OF
sp
JUSTICE
sp
AND
THE
END
OF
ADMINISTERING
THE
LAW
sp
BECAUSE
sp
HOW
MUCH
OF
WHAT
sp
GOES
ON
sp
IN
COURT
sp
IS
ACTUALLY
sp
ADMINISTERING
sp
THE
LAW
sp
RATHER
THAN
sp
DETERMINING
NATURAL
JUSTICE
sp
I
MEAN
YOU
HAVE
HAD
CASES
sp
OF
sp
PEOPLE
WHO
HAVE
sp
KILLED
sp
SOMEBODY
sp
PERHAPS
sp
THEY'VE
sp
GIVEN
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AN
OVERDOSE
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OF
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OR
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sp
TABLETS
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TO
AN
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ELDERLY
RELATIVE
sp
PERHAPS
sp
AT
THAT
{OOV}
PERHAPS
AT
THAT
RELATIVES
sp
REQUEST
sp
NOW
sp
IN
THE
EYES
OF
THE
sp
LAW
sp
THEY
HAVE
COMMITTED
A
sp
CRIME
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BUT
IF
YOU
PUT
THAT
sp
SITUATION
BEFORE
A
JURY
sp
AND
EVEN
THOUGH
THE
sp
JUDGE
MAY
INSTRUCT
sp
THE
JURY
sp
A
sp
CRIME
HAS
sp
BEEN
sp
COMMITTED
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YOU
sp
MUST
sp
FIND
sp
THEM
sp
GUILTY
THE
JURY'S
sp
INCLINATION
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WILL
sp
PROBABLY
sp
BE
sp
TO
sp
SAY
sp
NATURAL
JUSTICE
sp
YOU
sp
THAT
YOU
sp
YOU
sp
DONE
sp
WHAT
sp
WAS
sp
REQUIRED
OF
sp
YOU
THAT
sp
YOU
DON'T
DESERVE
TO
sp
BE
sp
EITHER
sp
CONVICTED
OR
sp
SENT
sp
TO
sp
PRISON
sp
FOR
sp
IT
YES
sp
RIGHT
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SO
WHAT
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THERE
IS
A
DIFFERENCE
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BETWEEN
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ADMINISTERING
THE
LETTER
sp
OF
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THE
LAW
sp
AND
AND
THE
sp
REAL
sp
JUSTICE
sp
OF
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A
PARTICULAR
sp
SITUATION
sp
BEING
ACHIEVED
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MM
MM
sp
OF
COURSE
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THE
sp
THE
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THING
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IN
sp
A
sp
CASE
sp
LIKE
sp
THAT
sp
IS
sp
THAT
IT'S
sp
BEEN
ESTABLISHED
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WHO
ADMINISTERED
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THE
sp
TABLETS
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AND
sp
WHY
sp
OR
sp
WHATEVER
sp
AND
sp
WHY
THEY
AD
sp
WHY
sp
WHY
sp
THEY
ADMINISTERED
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THEM
sp
ISN'T
IT
MHM
sp
THIS
IS
sp
WHAT
sp
THIS
IS
sp
WHAT
sp
WE'RE
LOOKING
FOR
WE'RE
NOT
sp
THINKING
NOW
PARTICULARLY
sp
ABOUT
sp
EITHER
sp
WHAT
sp
RECOMMENDATION
sp
THEY
sp
THE
sp
JURY
sp
FOREMAN
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MAKES
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OR
WHAT
sp
SENTENCE
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THE
sp
JUDGE
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PASSES
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THE
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FACT
IS
THAT
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THE
TRUTH
sp
OR
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WOULD
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HOPE
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SO
HAS
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BEEN
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ESTABLISHED
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THEN
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START
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TO
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THINK
ABOUT
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IN
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WHAT
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WAY
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JUSTICE
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BEST
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BE
DONE
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IN
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THIS
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PARTICULAR
CASE
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I
SAY
IT
sp
WE'RE
WE'RE
ALL
THE
TIME
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WE'RE
sp
WE'RE
sp
MIXING
sp
UP
sp
JUSTICE
AND
sp
LAW
AND
ALL
sp
KINDS
sp
OF
sp
THINGS
MM
IT'S
VERY
DIFFICULT
TO
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SEPARATE
THEM
ISN'T
IT
sp
OH
YES
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YEAH
sp
IT
IS
OH
YES
sp
COULD
I
WHAT
WHAT
IS
NOT
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TOUCHED
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ON
IN
THE
NOTES
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BUT
IS
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I
sp
I
THINK
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OTHER
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SIDE
OF
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THE
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COIN
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IS
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THAT
sp
IF
sp
JUSTICE
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MEANS
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TREATING
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PEOPLE
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FAIRLY
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THIS
IS
ON
THE
sp
BASIS
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OF
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TREATING
THE
sp
ACCUSED
sp
FAIRLY
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BUT
WHAT
ABOUT
sp
PEOPLE
sp
WHO
sp
HAD
THE
WRONG
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INFLICTED
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UPON
sp
THEM
sp
ISN'T
THAT
sp
EQUALLY
A
sp
MATTER
sp
OF
sp
JUSTICE
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WE
ONLY
NOW
sp
SEEM
sp
TO
BE
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ROUND
TO
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IT
sp
RECOGNISING
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THAT'S
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RIGHT
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IT
ISN'T
BROUGHT
UP
IN
THESE
NOTES
WHICH
I
sp
I
MEAN
sp
WHO
sp
FUNDS
THEM
sp
ARE
THEY
COMPLETELY
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CHARITABLE
sp
OR
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NO
sp
NO
sp
SOME
OF
IT
COMES
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FROM
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THE
GOVERNMENT
AND
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SOME
sp
FROM
sp
THE
sp
LOCAL
AUTHORITIES
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BUT
IT'S
sp
BEEN
sp
CUT
sp
BACK
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YEAH
DONE
IT
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WITH
PROBATION
sp
SERVICE
sp
PAID
sp
MONEY
sp
TO
sp
THEM
BUT
sp
NOW
sp
THEY
CAN'T
sp
DO
THAT
THEY'VE
GOT
TO
sp
GIVE
THE
MONEY
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FOR
THE
sp
PRISONERS
sp
ER
sp
NOT
sp
FOR
THE
sp
NOT
FOR
sp
THE
VICTIMS
sp
OF
sp
THE
sp
CRIME
sp
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
sp
MM
sp
WHICH
sp
SEEMS
sp
ALL
sp
WRONG
sp
I
THINK
THERE
IS
sp
SOME
sp
ROOM
sp
FOR
sp
SUGGESTING
sp
THAT
sp
ERM
sp
IN
CERTAIN
sp
CIRCUMSTANCES
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THE
ACTUAL
sp
PERPETRATOR
sp
OF
sp
THE
sp
CRIME
sp
COULD
MAKE
sp
RETRIBUTION
sp
TO
sp
THE
VICTIM
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YOU
KNOW
WHERE
WHERE
IT'S
sp
BEEN
A
sp
CASE
sp
OF
sp
VANDALISM
sp
OR
PETTY
THEFT
sp
YEAH
sp
BUT
YOU
ALSO
HAVE
sp
TO
TAKE
sp
INTO
sp
CONSIDERATION
sp
THE
sp
FEELINGS
sp
OF
sp
VICTIMS
sp
I
sp
MEAN
sp
IT
IT
sp
WOULD
HAVE
TO
BE
ERM
ONLY
WITH
THEIR
AGREEMENT
sp
YES
I
MEAN
IF
SOMEBODY
WAS
sp
PETRIFIED
sp
OF
sp
SETTING
sp
EYES
ON
THE
sp
YOUTH
sp
AGAIN
sp
THEN
IT
sp
WOULDN'T
DO
THEM
MUCH
sp
GOOD
sp
FOR
HIM
sp
TO
sp
BE
SENT
TO
MAKE
GOOD
WHAT
DAMAGE
HE'S
DONE
TO
sp
THEIR
HOUSE
OR
sp
YES
IT
sp
WANTS
VERY
DELICATE
HANDLING
sp
I
sp
SUPPOSE
sp
WELL
THE
sp
THIS
sp
FRIEND
OF
OURS
THE
sp
ER
DIRECTOR
sp
OF
VICTIMS
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AND
sp
CRIME
sp
ER
sp
WE
WE
HAVE
sp
SOMEBODY
sp
AT
CHURCH
WHO
sp
WAS
BURGLED
sp
SHE
IS
sp
AN
ELDERLY
sp
PERSON
LIVES
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ON
sp
HER
OWN
sp
AND
sp
ER
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MADE
sp
A
SUGGESTION
sp
TO
HER
sp
THAT
sp
SHE
sp
WENT
sp
WITH
sp
HIM
sp
TO
sp
PRISON
sp
TO
sp
FACE
sp
THE
MAN
sp
WELL
sp
I
DON'T
WHETHER
IT
WAS
THE
ACTUAL
sp
MAN
BUT
MEN
THAT
sp
HAD
sp
DONE
sp
BURGLARIES
sp
YOU
sp
SEE
sp
AND
SHE
SAID
sp
SHE'D
sp
GO
IN
sp
FACT
sp
I
I
sp
I
sp
HAD
sp
FELLOWSHIP
ON
BECAUSE
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REMEMBER
WE
sp
STARTED
ON
THAT
sp
TUESDAY
I
sp
SAID
sp
WELL
sp
YOU'LL
sp
ALL
sp
BE
SURPRISED
sp
TO
sp
KNOW
THAT
{OOV}
GOING
TO
PRISON
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TOMORROW
ER
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BUT
sp
SHE
sp
WENT
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AND
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SHE
WAS
sp
SHE
sp
SAID
sp
THAT
sp
THE
MEN
THAT
sp
SHE
sp
FACED
sp
ONE
sp
OUT
OF
sp
THOSE
sp
HAD
NEVER
REALISED
sp
WHAT
sp
HE'D
sp
DONE
sp
THE
sp
TRAUMA
HE'D
sp
CAUSED
sp
THAT
sp
WHAT
HE
WAS
sp
GETTING
sp
BECAUSE
sp
HE'D
sp
NEVER
GIVEN
A
sp
THOUGHT
sp
TO
THE
sp
PEOPLE
sp
HE
sp
WAS
sp
ERM
sp
BURGLING
AND
WHEN
sp
{OOV}
SAID
WHAT
IT
sp
HAD
MEANT
sp
TO
sp
HER
sp
LOOSING
sp
PERSONAL
sp
JEWELLERY
sp
AND
sp
THINGS
THAT
WAS
sp
SENTIMENTAL
sp
VALUE
sp
TO
sp
YOU
sp
KNOW
THE
sp
FAMILY
THAT
sp
HAD
DIED
AND
sp
THEY
WERE
THE
ONLY
THINGS
sp
SHE'D
sp
GOT
sp
TO
REMEMBER
THEM
BY
sp
AND
sp
SO
ON
HE
REALLY
sp
WAS
sp
BROUGHT
sp
UP
IN
HIS
sp
TRACKS
sp
AND
{OOV}
sp
SAID
WHEN
HE
BROUGHT
sp
HER
sp
HOME
sp
WELL
IF
THAT
sp
ONLY
MADE
sp
ONE
sp
PERSON
sp
THINK
sp
IT'S
sp
BEEN
sp
WORTH
IT
MM
sp
SO
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
BUT
HE'S
sp
HE'S
sp
VERY
sp
BITTER
ER
HE'S
AN
EX
POLICEMAN
sp
HIMSELF
sp
AND
HE'S
VERY
BITTER
sp
ABOUT
sp
THE
sp
WAY
THE
sp
VICTIMS
sp
ARE
sp
TREATED
sp
THINK
sp
ABOUT
IT
AND
THE
WAY
THE
sp
CRIMINALS
ARE
TREATED
sp
TOO
YES
sp
YES
sp
THAT'S
RIGHT
IN
sp
FACT
HE
sp
WAS
TELLING
ME
sp
ONLY
sp
THE
OTHER
sp
WEEK
sp
ABOUT
sp
THE
sp
THE
sp
NUMBER
OF
sp
CRIMINALS
sp
THAT
sp
HE
KNOWS
sp
THEY'RE
SERVING
sp
THEIR
sp
THEY'RE
sp
SERVING
sp
SENTENCES
sp
AND
sp
THEY'RE
ONLY
sp
ONE
sp
THING
sp
THEY'RE
sp
LONGING
AND
HOPING
sp
FOR
sp
IT
sp
IS
GET
sp
OUT
sp
SO
sp
THEY
sp
CAN
KNOCK
sp
ANOTHER
sp
OLD
LADY
sp
DOWN
MM
sp
AND
AND
sp
GO
AND
GET
SOME
MONEY
AND
SELL
sp
IT
sp
SELL
IT
IN
sp
THE
sp
CAR
sp
BOOT
sp
SALE
sp
AND
GET
BACK
TO
sp
PRISON
sp
ALL
OVER
sp
AGAIN
sp
NOTHING
TO
WORRY
ABOUT
sp
NO
EXPENSES
sp
EVERYTHING'S
sp
TAKEN
sp
CARE
OF
sp
THE
sp
ONLY
THING
sp
THEY
HAVEN'T
GOT
sp
IS
sp
THEIR
sp
FREEDOM
sp
BUT
sp
THEY'VE
sp
GOT
EVERYTHING
ELSE
MM
THEY'VE
sp
GOT
MORE
THAN
THE
PEOPLE
sp
HAVE
OUTSIDE
YES
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
I
sp
THINK
MOST
sp
CRIMINALS
sp
I
sp
MEAN
sp
THERE
sp
THERE
sp
MUST
sp
BE
sp
ONE
OR
TWO
sp
WHO
ER
ER
sp
TOO
sp
DANGEROUS
sp
TO
sp
BE
LET
LOOSE
sp
ON
sp
SOCIETY
sp
YEAH
BUT
I
sp
THINK
MOST
sp
CRIMINALS
sp
WOULD
PROBABLY
sp
BENEFIT
sp
MORE
sp
FROM
sp
BEING
sp
MADE
sp
TO
FACE
ER
sp
YES
sp
WHAT
THEY'VE
sp
DONE
TO
sp
SOCIETY
sp
I
MEAN
IF
SOMEBODY
CAN'T
ACTUALLY
sp
GO
BACK
TO
sp
THE
sp
PERSON
sp
THEY'VE
sp
HARMED
sp
IN
A
IN
A
ONE
sp
TO
ONE
sp
SITUATION
sp
THERE'S
sp
NO
REASON
WHY
sp
THEY
SHOULDN'T
sp
BE
sp
DOING
sp
SOME
OTHER
sp
FORM
OF
sp
COMMUNITY
sp
SERVICE
sp
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
I
sp
AGREE
COS
sp
AS
YOU
SAY
sp
IF
sp
IF
sp
THEY
DO
sp
HAVE
sp
TO
sp
COME
TO
sp
GRIPS
sp
WITH
THEIR
sp
FELLOW
sp
MAN
TO
BE
sp
AT
LEAST
SOME
OF
sp
THEM
WHO
sp
ARE
GOING
sp
TO
sp
BE
IMPRESSED
sp
BY
sp
THAT
sp
BUT
HOW
YOU
CAN
EXPECT
sp
PEOPLE
sp
TO
BECOME
sp
MORE
sp
SOCIABLE
sp
BY
JUST
sp
BEING
sp
YOU
KNOW
SHUT
sp
BEHIND
sp
CLOSED
sp
WALLS
sp
AND
sp
AND
sp
NOT
HAVING
sp
TO
ACTUALLY
sp
FEND
sp
FOR
sp
THEMSELVES
sp
AND
COPE
WITH
sp
LIFE
sp
OUTSIDE
sp
PRISON
sp
WALLS
sp
IT
DOESN'T
SEEM
TO
sp
MAKE
SENSE
TO
ME
sp
I
THINK
THERE'S
ALSO
THE
TYPE
sp
VERY
OFTEN
THESE
sp
PEOPLE
sp
HAVE
LEFT
A
sp
FAMILY
sp
A
WIFE
sp
AND
sp
CHILDREN
BEHIND
sp
MM
AND
MAYBE
THEY'RE
NOT
sp
FACING
UP
TO
THAT
RESPONSIBILITY
sp
MM
sp
IT
COULD
BE
SEEN
IN
sp
SOME
sp
CASES
sp
AS
sp
MAYBE
sp
ESCAPISM
sp
WE
DON'T
GIVE
ENOUGH
sp
THOUGHT
TO
sp
THE
WIFE
AND
sp
KIDS
sp
WHO'VE
sp
GOT
sp
DAD
sp
ER
sp
ER
IN
IN
sp
COURT
NO
THAT
sp
THAT'S
VERY
TRUE
sp
BUT
I
WONDER
sp
HAVING
sp
SAID
THAT
sp
JUSTICE
IS
A
sp
MATTER
OF
sp
TREATING
sp
PEOPLE
sp
FAIRLY
sp
NOT
ONLY
sp
PUNISHING
sp
THEM
sp
PRESUMABLY
sp
IN
A
sp
FAIR
sp
WAY
sp
DECIDING
WHAT
sp
IS
sp
A
sp
FAIR
WAY
TO
sp
TREAT
sp
JUSTLY
sp
WHETHER
A
PERSON
WHO'S
DONE
sp
SOMETHING
sp
ANTI
SOCIAL
sp
IS
sp
PART
sp
OF
sp
THAT
sp
FAIRNESS
sp
TRYING
TO
GET
THEM
TO
SEE
sp
THE
sp
THE
sp
EVIL
THAT
THEY'VE
DONE
sp
BUT
sp
OR
IS
IT
sp
JUST
sp
PUNISHMENT
sp
FULL
sp
TOP
sp
NO
YOU
sp
CAN'T
LOCK
THEM
UP
sp
AND
sp
THROW
AWAY
sp
THE
KEY
THAT'S
sp
THAT'S
IN
A
sp
CHRISTIAN
sp
SOCIETY
THAT'S
sp
NOT
sp
ON
YOU'VE
sp
GOT
sp
TO
DO
sp
SOMETHING
sp
TO
HELP
sp
THEM
sp
TO
sp
REHABILITATE
THEMSELVES
WANT
TO
REPENT
sp
FOR
sp
WHAT
sp
THEY
sp
DONE
sp
BUT
HOW
sp
FAR
THAT
sp
THAT
sp
GOES
IN
sp
PRISONS
sp
I
sp
I
DON'T
sp
KNOW
sp
BUT
sp
THERE
ARE
sp
PEOPLE
sp
THAT
sp
GO
INTO
sp
PRISONS
sp
AREN'T
sp
THERE
TO
sp
TO
sp
HELP
sp
THEM
I
MEAN
sp
THERE
sp
ARE
COUNCILLORS
sp
AND
sp
ER
sp
AND
PEOPLE
sp
GOING
sp
INTO
sp
TO
sp
GIVE
THEM
INTEREST
IN
sp
LIFE
I
MEAN
sp
GOES
INTO
sp
TEACHING
sp
ERM
sp
ER
sp
PARK
sp
PARKWAY
sp
DOESN'T
sp
HE
BUT
IT'S
AGAIN
ONE
sp
OF
sp
THOSE
sp
THINGS
sp
WHICH
sp
APPEAR
TO
sp
BE
UNDER
sp
FINANCIAL
sp
PRESSURE
sp
I
MEAN
sp
ONE
OF
OUR
MOST
sp
RESPECTED
sp
ADULT
sp
SCHOOL
MEMBERS
sp
AT
NATIONAL
LEVEL
sp
WAS
ACTUALLY
sp
AWARDED
sp
THE
M
sp
B
sp
E
sp
FOR
sp
HIS
sp
WORK
sp
IN
sp
WANDSWORTH
sp
PRISON
sp
WHERE
HE
sp
RAN
AN
ADULT
sp
SCHOOL
sp
FOR
sp
THIRTY
sp
YEARS
sp
ERM
HE
sp
FINALLY
HAD
sp
TO
SHUT
sp
THE
ADULT
sp
SCHOOL
sp
NOT
BECAUSE
sp
THE
PRISONERS
sp
WEREN'T
sp
INTERESTED
IN
sp
IN
sp
ATTENDING
sp
ANY
MORE
sp
BUT
BECAUSE
sp
THE
sp
PRISON
OFFICERS
AND
sp
THE
sp
GOVERNOR
sp
WEREN'T
ABLE
TO
sp
PROVIDE
sp
THE
sp
MAN
POWER
sp
TO
sp
TO
COVER
THE
EXISTENCE
sp
OF
sp
THAT
sp
CLASS
sp
MM
ERM
THERE'S
A
LITTLE
sp
BIT
MORE
TO
IT
sp
THAN
THAT
YES
THERE
IS
YES
sp
YES
OH
AYE
IT
WAS
sp
COS
sp
THE
PRISON
sp
THE
sp
WARDERS
sp
RESENTED
sp
SOMEBODY
GOING
IN
AND
AND
sp
DOING
sp
THIS
sp
FOR
sp
THEM
sp
IF
ANYBODY
WENT
INTO
sp
THE
PRISON
THEY
HAD
sp
TO
sp
BE
sp
PAID
sp
THEY
WEREN'T
HAVING
ANY
VOLUNTEERS
IN
sp
TH
THIS
THIS
sp
WAS
PUTTING
IT
VERY
SIMPLY
sp
MM
sp
MM
I
MEAN
IF
ANYONE
sp
SAW
THAT
sp
TELEVISION
PROGRAMME
A
sp
COUPLE
sp
OF
WEEKS
sp
AGO
sp
ABOUT
THOSE
sp
PRISONERS
sp
WHO
sp
PUT
sp
ON
sp
GUYS
sp
AND
DOLLS
sp
MM
WHERE
THEY
WERE
sp
THE
sp
THE
PRISONERS
sp
WERE
sp
THE
CHORUS
sp
AND
sp
AND
sp
THEY
HAD
A
LOCAL
sp
OPERATIC
sp
SOCIETY
MADE
sp
THE
sp
ERM
AND
sp
THEY
DID
REMARKABLY
sp
WELL
sp
YOU
sp
KNOW
sp
TAKING
sp
IT
OVER
sp
THEY
WERE
sp
REALLY
sp
VERY
sp
ACCEPTABLE
AT
sp
THE
sp
END
sp
BUT
THE
sp
WHOLE
PROGRAMME
sp
HAD
sp
THIS
sp
SUB
PLOT
sp
OF
HOW
ANTAGONISTIC
sp
MOST
sp
OF
sp
THE
PRISON
sp
OFFICERS
sp
WERE
sp
NOT
ALL
OF
sp
THEM
sp
COS
sp
THEY
OBVIOUSLY
HAS
sp
SOME
sp
SUPPORT
sp
TO
sp
KEEP
IT
sp
GOING
sp
BUT
A
LOT
OF
sp
THEM
sp
WERE
sp
ANTAGONISTIC
sp
TOWARDS
sp
WHAT
sp
WAS
sp
GOING
sp
ON
sp
AND
NOT
sp
ONLY
THAT
sp
BUT
sp
JUST
sp
THE
sp
THE
sp
PRISON
sp
SYSTEM
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
THIS
sp
CHAP
sp
GOT
sp
TRANSFERRED
sp
FROM
sp
ONE
sp
PRISON
sp
TO
ANOTHER
sp
WHEN
HE
WAS
sp
MID
WAY
sp
THROUGH
REHEARSALS
sp
YOU
KNOW
I
MEAN
WHY
SHOULDN'T
HE
HAVE
sp
STAYED
sp
THERE
sp
MM
AND
COMPLETED
sp
THIS
sp
THIS
sp
WONDERFUL
PIECE
sp
OF
sp
THERA
sp
THERAPY
sp
WHICH
IT
sp
WAS
sp
FOR
HIM
MM
sp
BEFORE
THEY
TRANSFERRED
sp
HIM
TO
sp
ANOTHER
sp
PRISON
sp
I
MEAN
WH
WHAT
WAS
sp
THE
sp
COMMON
sp
SENSE
sp
OF
sp
THAT
sp
SORT
sp
OF
sp
BUREAUCRACY
sp
STAMPING
sp
ON
PEOPLE
sp
WELL
HE
MUST
sp
HAVE
sp
BEEN
TRANSFERRED
sp
FOR
sp
SOME
REASON
sp
OR
OTHER
sp
OH
WHY
sp
WE
WELL
THAT'S
sp
SOMETHING
WE
DON'T
sp
KNOW
sp
THERE
sp
MAY
HAVE
BEEN
OTHER
PRISONERS
sp
I
MEAN
THEY
WOULDN'T
WILLY
NILLY
WOULD
THEY
PERHAPS
sp
HE
sp
WAS
sp
BEING
TREATED
BADLY
sp
I
MEAN
sp
IN
FACT
IN
FACT
THE
IMPLICATION
WAS
sp
THAT
sp
THERE
WAS
sp
NO
sp
FLEXIBILITY
sp
IN
THE
DECISION
IT
sp
COULD
HAVE
BEEN
HELD
sp
BACK
sp
PERHAPS
sp
BECAUSE
sp
HE
WAS
INVOLVED
sp
IN
sp
THIS
sp
IF
YOU
LIKE
sp
OPPORTUNITY
OF
A
LIFETIME
MM
WELL
sp
NOT
TO
sp
SO
LONG
ER
I
WAS
sp
GOING
TO
HAMPSHIRE'S
sp
TO
sp
GET
sp
BREAD
sp
AND
sp
AS
I
WAS
GOING
IN
sp
AND
sp
THIS
sp
FELLOW
WAS
sp
COMING
sp
OUT
sp
HE
HANDS
sp
WITH
ME
OOH
sp
AND
sp
THEN
HE
GOT
sp
HE
sp
GOT
ON
sp
THE
sp
BUS
IT
WAS
A
MIDLAND
RED
AND
IT
WAS
GOING
TO
sp
ERM
ER
WHERE
IT
WAS
sp
GOING
OUT
OF
TOWN
sp
ANYWAY
sp
AND
HE
SHOOK
sp
HANDS
sp
WITH
sp
THE
DRIVER
sp
BECAUSE
I
COULDN'T
HELP
sp
BUT
sp
YOU
sp
KNOW
NOTICE
sp
WHAT
sp
HE
sp
WAS
sp
DOING
sp
AND
WHEN
I
sp
GOT
sp
WHEN
sp
I
WAS
IN
sp
THE
sp
SHOP
AND
sp
GETTING
sp
THE
sp
BREAD
sp
THE
sp
GIRLS
sp
IN
THERE
WERE
TELLING
ME
THAT
sp
HE
SHOOK
sp
HANDS
WITH
sp
THEM
BECAUSE
sp
HE
sp
HAD
sp
JUST
sp
GOT
sp
OUT
sp
OF
sp
PRISON
sp
AND
HE
sp
WAS
A
sp
BORN
AGAIN
sp
CHRISTIAN
sp
AH
MM
AND
THAT'S
sp
WHAT
sp
HAD
sp
HAPPENED
sp
TO
HIM
IN
THE
sp
PRISON
sp
BECAUSE
SOMEONE
sp
SAID
I
sp
WONDER
HOW
LONG
THAT
WILL
LAST
sp
YEAH
sp
I'M
AFRAID
I'M
A
sp
BIT
sp
OF
sp
A
CYNIC
MM
sp
BUT
sp
THAT'S
sp
WHAT
sp
HE
WAS
SAYING
sp
MM
sp
CAN
I
TOUCH
sp
ON
ANOTHER
sp
THING
WHICH
I
THINK
sp
HASN'T
BEEN
MENTIONED
IN
THE
NOTES
sp
BUT
IS
sp
VERY
sp
MUCH
sp
IN
sp
OUR
sp
MINDS
sp
THAT
sp
IS
sp
THE
LONG
sp
PERIOD
WHERE
sp
PEOPLE
ARE
REMANDED
THERE
sp
HAS
sp
BEEN
sp
SOME
VERY
UNFORTUNATE
sp
SUICIDES
sp
OH
YES
YEAH
WHICH
IS
ALL
OUR
RESPONSIBILITY
sp
PRESUMABLY
sp
THAT
sp
DELAY
IS
sp
BECAUSE
sp
WE
AREN'T
sp
PROVIDING
sp
SUFFICIENT
sp
JUDGES
sp
OR
sp
SUFFICIENT
sp
SERVICES
sp
TO
ER
sp
ER
TO
sp
TRY
THEM
IN
A
MUCH
SHORTER
sp
TERM
sp
THAT
sp
SEEMS
sp
TO
ME
A
VERY
sp
EVIL
sp
THING
sp
IF
sp
PEOPLE
ARE
sp
KEPT
sp
IN
sp
PRISON
sp
FOR
MONTHS
sp
BEFORE
THEY'VE
BEEN
sp
FOUND
GUILTY
FOR
YEARS
SOMETIMES
NO
THEY'VE
NOT
sp
EVEN
sp
BEEN
sp
CHARGED
sp
NO
THEY'RE
sp
THEY'RE
I
MEAN
THEY'RE
NOT
sp
THEY'RE
NOT
sp
CRIMINALS
IN
THE
sp
EYES
sp
OF
THE
LAW
THEY'RE
INNOCENT
sp
UNTIL
THEY'RE
PROVED
GUILTY
THEY'RE
INNOCENT
UNTIL
THEY'RE
sp
PROVEN
GUILTY
IS
IT
THE
sp
FAULT
sp
IS
sp
IT
THE
sp
FAULT
OF
sp
THE
sp
JUDICIAL
SYSTEM
sp
THOUGH
OR
IS
IT
THE
sp
FAULT
sp
OF
THE
LAWYERS
sp
IT'S
sp
PARTLY
sp
THE
FAULT
OF
sp
THE
sp
LAWYERS
IT'S
PARTLY
sp
THE
sp
FAULT
sp
OF
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
WHO
HAVE
LOTS
sp
AND
LOTS
sp
AND
sp
LOTS
sp
OF
sp
PAPERWORK
sp
TO
DO
sp
MM
sp
BEFORE
sp
THESE
sp
BEFORE
THESE
sp
CASES
CAN
BE
BROUGHT
sp
TO
sp
THE
sp
COURT
sp
AND
AN
AN
AND
VERY
VERY
OFTEN
BUT
IN
sp
SCOTLAND
THEY
SEEM
TO
MANAGE
TO
WITH
THEM
THEY
HAVEN'T
GOT
sp
THE
MAN
POWER
sp
TO
sp
TO
DO
ALL
THIS
sp
PAPERWORK
sp
THAT
sp
THAT
sp
IS
ONE
sp
REASON
FOR
THE
sp
DELAY
sp
ANOTHER
REASON
sp
IS
sp
THE
sp
LAWYERS
sp
{OOV}
USED
sp
TO
sp
SAY
sp
THAT
sp
CASES
sp
USED
sp
TO
COME
sp
BEFORE
sp
HER
sp
COURT
sp
IN
sp
IN
sp
ROCHDALE
sp
AND
IT
WAS
sp
AN
sp
ABSOLUTE
sp
DISGRACE
sp
THAT
THEY
EVER
sp
CAME
sp
TO
COURT
sp
AND
THAT
sp
THE
LAWYERS
sp
WOULD
sp
SPIN
THEM
OUT
sp
MM
YEAH
FOR
ABOUT
THREE
DAYS
WHEN
THEY
sp
COULD
HAVE
BEEN
sp
ONE
sp
DAY
COS
THEY'RE
BEING
PAID
BY
THE
HOUR
sp
YES
sp
YEAH
sp
YEAH
sp
SAID
IT
WAS
sp
AN
sp
ABSOLUTE
sp
DISGRACE
sp
YEAH
ER
THIS
sp
REFERS
sp
BACK
sp
TO
sp
SOMETHING
{OOV}
SAID
A
sp
LITTLE
WHILE
sp
AGO
TALKING
ABOUT
sp
THE
sp
FITNESS
sp
OF
sp
JUDGES
sp
HAVING
sp
COME
UP
sp
THROUGH
sp
THE
LEGAL
sp
SYSTEM
sp
I
MEAN
sp
HAVING
HEARD
sp
CRITICISMS
sp
OF
HOW
LAWYERS
BEHAVE
sp
AND
sp
HAVING
HEARD
sp
PEOPLE
sp
SAY
HOW
CAN
sp
YOU
sp
DEFEND
sp
SOMEONE
sp
WHEN
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
JOLLY
WELL
THEY'RE
sp
GUILTY
sp
AND
sp
THIS
sp
KIND
sp
OF
THING
sp
HOW
DOES
sp
THAT
sp
FIT
sp
YOU
TO
sp
BECOME
sp
A
sp
JUDGE
sp
IF
YOU'VE
ACTUALLY
BE
sp
WANGLING
SYSTEM
sp
ON
YOUR
sp
WAY
UP
sp
WHICH
IS
WHAT
MOST
sp
OF
sp
US
sp
SEEM
TO
DO
AT
ONE
sp
TIME
OR
ANOTHER
OH
sp
THEY
DO
sp
THEY
DEFINITELY
COULD
DO
sp
MM
sp
I
sp
THINK
sp
REGARDING
sp
THE
NUMBER
OF
sp
PEOPLE
WHO
sp
ARE
IN
PRISON
sp
WHETHER
ON
REMAND
sp
OR
sp
OTHERWISE
ERM
sp
REMINDS
sp
ME
OF
sp
SOMETHING
sp
THAT
THAT
I
sp
KEEP
sp
NOTICING
EITHER
HEAR
sp
IT
ON
THE
sp
RADIO
OR
IN
sp
THE
sp
PAPER
sp
BUT
sp
SOMEBODY
HAS
sp
BEEN
sp
SENT
sp
TO
sp
PRISON
sp
THEY
ARE
THE
SORT
sp
OF
sp
PERSON
WHO
sp
YOU
WOULD
sp
THINK
OF
sp
SHOULD
NEVER
BE
SENT
sp
TO
sp
PRISON
sp
SOMEBODY
sp
WHO
HAS
sp
DIDDLED
HIS
sp
FIRM
OUT
OF
A
COUPLE
sp
OF
sp
THOUSAND
THAT
MAN
IS
NOT
A
MENACE
sp
TO
SOCIETY
sp
AND
THERE
ARE
A
GREAT
sp
MANY
OTHER
sp
SIMILAR
sp
PEOPLE
WHO
sp
SHOULD
NEVER
BE
IN
sp
PRISON
sp
I
DON'T
KNOW
sp
I
DON'T
KNOW
HOW
YOU
COULD
sp
DEAL
sp
WITH
THEM
sp
JUSTLY
sp
HOW
ANY
REPARATION
sp
COULD
BE
sp
MADE
sp
AND
sp
TALKING
ABOUT
REPARATION
sp
THIS
sp
BUSINESS
sp
OVER
ABSENT
sp
FATHERS
sp
ER
HAS
JUST
KILLED
THAT
sp
IDEA
sp
OF
sp
US
sp
GETTING
sp
MORE
sp
AND
MORE
IN
sp
THAT
KIND
sp
OF
sp
WAY
sp
BUT
I'M
SURE
sp
THERE
ARE
MANY
PEOPLE
AND
sp
I'M
NOT
sp
THINKING
ABOUT
THOSE
WHO
HAVE
sp
BEEN
sp
COMMITTED
AN
ACT
sp
OF
sp
VIOLENCE
sp
AND
SAID
WELL
THEY
sp
MIGHT
sp
DO
IT
sp
AGAIN
sp
BUT
sp
SAY
sp
I'M
sp
PRETTY
SURE
sp
PEOPLE
sp
WHO
sp
HAVE
sp
BEEN
sp
COMMITTED
IN
EFFECT
sp
OF
sp
WHAT
YOU
COULD
sp
CALL
sp
CIVIL
sp
CRIMES
sp
THAT
IS
sp
PUTTING
sp
THEIR
sp
HAND
IN
sp
THE
DRAWER
sp
SHOULD
sp
NEVER
BE
IN
sp
PRISON
sp
IF
ANYBODY
sp
WANTS
sp
TO
EMPLOY
sp
THEM
sp
THEY
SHOULD
sp
KNOW
sp
BEFORE
sp
AND
sp
THEN
EMPLOY
THEM
AT
sp
THEIR
OWN
sp
RISK
sp
AND
THEY
sp
CAN
sp
I
MEAN
THEY
CAN
EVEN
sp
CONTINUE
WITH
sp
ORIGINAL
sp
EMPLOYER
sp
AND
WORK
AS
sp
YOU
MIGHT
sp
SAY
FOR
NOTHING
sp
UNTIL
THEY'VE
sp
PAID
BACK
WHAT
THEY
TOOK
WELL
THAT'S
COULD
sp
DO
YES
THAT'S
RIGHT
sp
THERE'S
PLENTY
sp
OF
sp
ROOM
FOR
sp
THAT
SORT
OF
sp
THING
MM
I
MEAN
THAT
sp
FLIES
sp
IN
sp
THE
FACE
sp
OF
sp
ALL
THE
sp
CURRENT
sp
PRESSURES
sp
ALL
sp
OF
sp
THE
sp
CURRENT
sp
POLITICAL
sp
ABOUT
IF
sp
YOU'RE
A
sp
NAUGHTY
sp
BOY
sp
INTO
sp
PRISON
sp
YOU
GO
sp
AND
FOR
THE
LONGER
sp
THE
sp
BETTER
AND
NOW
WE
sp
HAVE
sp
ANOTHER
sp
ER
sp
SUB
CROP
sp
OF
sp
PEOPLE
WHO
HAVE
sp
BEEN
sp
DISCHARGED
sp
INTO
sp
COMMUNITY
sp
CARE
sp
FROM
sp
MENTAL
HOSPITALS
sp
MM
sp
MM
WHO
ARE
NOT
sp
SUFFICIENTLY
IN
CONTROL
OF
THEMSELVES
sp
TO
TAKE
THEIR
sp
MEDICATION
sp
AND
THEN
THEY
BECOME
sp
PARANOID
OR
MANIC
sp
AND
sp
THEY
ERM
sp
COMMIT
sp
SOCIAL
CRIMES
sp
AGAIN
sp
AND
sp
SO
THEY'RE
sp
PART
sp
PART
sp
OF
THE
sp
TREADMILL
TOO
sp
MM
sp
THEY'RE
sp
NOT
sp
CRIMINALS
IN
sp
THE
sp
REAL
sp
SENSE
sp
OF
sp
CRIMINALITY
sp
BUT
THAT'S
WHERE
sp
THEY
sp
END
UP
sp
BECAUSE
THAT'S
THE
ONLY
DUSTBIN
THEY
CAN
sp
SEND
THEM
TO
MM
sp
WHO
sp
WAS
IT
THAT
SAID
THE
sp
LAW'S
AN
sp
ASS
MM
ONE
THING
sp
TIMES
NO
sp
IT
sp
WAS
sp
THE
BEADLE
IN
OLIVER
TWIST
OH
YES
YES
THAT'S
RIGHT
sp
MR
BUMBLE
sp
TIMES
RUNNING
OUT
BUT
THE
LOCAL
sp
THING
NOT
THE
LOCAL
THAT'S
sp
THE
THING
ER
sp
APPEARED
ON
sp
ON
ER
sp
THE
sp
NEWS
sp
TONIGHT
sp
ER
sp
WHAT
HAPPENED
ANNOUNCED
sp
BY
sp
HOME
sp
SECRETARY
I
THINK
sp
IT
WAS
sp
THERE
I'M
NOT
QUITE
sp
SURE
sp
WHERE
sp
CHILDREN
UNDER
sp
ER
sp
CHILDREN
sp
UNDER
sp
SIXTEEN
sp
IF
sp
THEY
sp
ER
sp
DO
NOT
sp
ER
ABIDE
sp
BY
sp
THE
sp
INSTRUCTION
OF
THE
JUVENILE
sp
COURT
WHERE
sp
THEY
HAVE
sp
CONDUCTED
sp
MISDEMEANOURS
sp
THE
sp
PARENTS
sp
CAN
NOW
BE
sp
FINED
UP
TO
A
sp
THOUSAND
sp
POUNDS
FOR
sp
THE
sp
CHILDREN
sp
BECAUSE
THEY
HAVEN'T
sp
CARRIED
OUT
THE
INSTRUCTIONS
sp
OF
THE
COURT
sp
THAT
sp
SEEMS
sp
TO
ME
sp
TO
NEED
sp
A
LOT
OF
sp
THINKING
sp
ABOUT
sp
BECAUSE
sp
IF
sp
YOU'VE
GOT
sp
DIFFICULT
sp
CHILDREN
sp
RA
THE
LAST
sp
THING
WE
WANT
sp
TO
DO
IS
sp
THINK
YOU'VE
GOT
A
THOUSAND
sp
POUND
sp
FINE
OR
sp
SO
ANYWAY
IF
YOU
CAN'T
sp
PAY
IT
WHAT
DO
THEY
DO
WITH
THEM
sp
YEAH
I
I'M
sp
THIS
sp
DOESN'T
SEEM
TO
ME
sp
A
VERY
INTELLIGENT
sp
WAY
I
sp
I
sp
SOMEHOW
OR
OTHER
sp
YOU'VE
GOT
TO
sp
GET
THE
sp
PARENTS
sp
WIN
THEM
sp
TO
BEHAVE
sp
PROPERLY
sp
TOWARDS
sp
THE
sp
CHILDREN
WITHOUT
THE
sp
THREAT
OF
A
sp
HEAVY
sp
FINE
ON
sp
THEIR
sp
HEAD
I
MEAN
sp
THERE'S
A
sp
I
MEAN
THE
CONSEQUENCE
OF
A
HEAVY
sp
FINE
THE
NEXT
THING
sp
IS
THEY'LL
BE
IN
sp
PRISON
sp
COS
THEY
HAVEN'T
PAID
A
sp
FINE
sp
WHERE
DOES
IT
END
sp
BUT
THE
sp
STORY
GOES
sp
THAT
MONEY
sp
SPEAKS
AND
sp
SOME
PEOPLE
sp
SOME
PARENTS
sp
IF
sp
THEY
GET
HIT
sp
IN
THE
sp
POCKET
sp
WILL
PROBABLY
sp
TAKE
MORE
NOTICE
OF
sp
THEIR
CHILD
YEAH
sp
THAN
THEY'VE
sp
TAKEN
sp
FOR
sp
MONTHS
sp
OR
sp
YEARS
sp
BEFORE
YES
I
sp
THINK
THAT'S
sp
IF
YOU
IF
YOUR
sp
DOG
sp
GOES
AND
BITES
sp
SOMEBODY
sp
AN
sp
YOU'RE
IN
sp
TROUBLE
sp
BECAUSE
sp
YOU'VE
LET
HIM
sp
GET
OUT
OF
sp
CONTROL
sp
AND
YES
MM
sp
BUT
sp
IF
YOUR
CHILD
GOES
sp
AND
BURNS
sp
A
A
sp
SCHOOL
sp
DOWN
sp
HE
sp
HE
GETS
sp
AWAY
WITH
IT
sp
MM
THAT
DOESN'T
sp
SEEM
sp
RIGHT
sp
TO
sp
ME
sp
YEAH
THEY
SHOULDN'T
sp
THEY
sp
SHOULDN'T
sp
PARENTS
sp
SHOULD
sp
BE
sp
HELD
sp
TO
sp
SOME
DEGREE
NOT
sp
NECESSARILY
sp
TO
A
sp
TUNE
sp
OF
A
THOUSAND
sp
POUND
sp
BUT
THEY
SHOULD
sp
BE
sp
MADE
IN
sp
SOME
sp
WAY
TO
sp
BE
RESPONSIBLE
sp
FOR
THEIR
YEAH
sp
BUT
I
AGREE
IT'S
JUST
A
QUESTION
OF
THE
WAY
YOU
DO
IT
IT
sp
SEEMS
sp
A
VERY
sp
CLUMSY
WAY
OF
JUST
sp
THINKING
sp
OF
TERMS
OF
sp
FINANCIAL
sp
WELL
sp
WELL
IT'S
sp
IT'S
sp
WHAT
AS
sp
{OOV}
HAS
SAID
sp
IT'S
sp
IT'S
THE
BEST
WAY
TO
GET
sp
PEOPLE
PAY
UP
sp
THEY
ARE
sp
SOME
sp
PARENTS
sp
THAT
sp
DO
sp
BRINGING
sp
OUT
sp
A
BOOK
OH
AYE
WELL
{OOV}
sp
WILL
WILL
sp
KNOW
sp
AND
sp
MY
DAUGHTER
sp
SAYS
IF
sp
SHE'S
sp
GOT
sp
CHILDREN
THAT
sp
ARE
A
sp
REAL
sp
PROBLEM
sp
SHE'D
WANT
sp
TO
KNOW
WHAT
THEIR
HOMES
sp
LIKE
AND
THAT
USUALLY
GIVES
sp
AN
ANSWER
sp
WHICH
YOU
sp
TOO
sp
MM
sp
ERM
sp
WE'VE
GOT
A
sp
FRIEND
THAT
WAS
sp
ERM
sp
A
sp
STORE
sp
DETECTIVE
sp
IN
FACT
sp
IT'S
THE
WIFE
sp
OF
{OOV}
THE
ER
sp
VICTIM
sp
OF
sp
CRIME
sp
SUPPORT
sp
GROUP
sp
SHE
sp
WAS
sp
A
sp
STORE
sp
DETECTIVE
sp
AND
sp
SHE
sp
CAUGHT
A
sp
CHILD
AT
sp
SHOP
LIFTING
sp
THE
sp
THE
sp
RULING
IS
sp
THAT
IF
YOU
CATCH
sp
A
CHILD
YOU
TAKE
HER
AND
sp
KEEP
sp
HER
IN
sp
THE
sp
OFFICE
sp
AND
SEND
sp
FOR
sp
THE
sp
PARENTS
sp
WELL
SHE
SENT
sp
FOR
sp
HER
MOTHER
sp
CAME
sp
AND
sp
ER
sp
WHEN
sp
SHE
sp
CAME
sp
IN
sp
EXPLAINED
sp
TO
HER
sp
WHY
SHE'D
sp
SENT
sp
FOR
HER
sp
AND
SHE
SMACKED
THE
sp
CHILD
sp
ACROSS
sp
THE
FACE
sp
AND
{OOV}
SAID
sp
THERE
WAS
NO
NEED
sp
TO
sp
DO
sp
THAT
sp
SHE
SAID
THAT'S
sp
FOR
GETTING
sp
CAUGHT
sp
OH
sp
YEAH
sp
WELL
NOW
WHAT
NOW
WHAT
sp
CHANCE
sp
DOES
THAT
CHILD
sp
HAVE
OF
sp
OF
sp
GROWING
sp
UP
NOW
THOSE
SORT
sp
OF
sp
PARENTS
sp
NEED
sp
SOMETHING
sp
TO
I
MEAN
sp
YES
sp
THAT'S
sp
RIGHT
TO
CATCH
sp
THEM
I
MEAN
IN
A
MUCH
MORE
ERM
A
sp
LE
A
LESS
sp
SEVERE
EXAMPLE
sp
BUT
WE'RE
HAVING
sp
A
sp
ROAD
SAFETY
WEEK
AT
SCHOOL
THIS
WEEK
ERM
AND
IT
sp
WAS
sp
MY
sp
CLASS'S
sp
TURN
sp
YESTERDAY
sp
AFTERNOON
sp
SO
I
sp
WAS
sp
JUST
sp
THERE
sp
KEEPING
A
sp
WATCHING
BRIEF
sp
WITH
sp
MY
MY
sp
CHILDREN
WHILE
THE
sp
ROAD
SAFETY
sp
REPRESENTATIVE
sp
WAS
sp
TALKING
sp
TO
sp
THEM
sp
AND
SHE
sp
PUT
THEM
US
sp
THROUGH
THE
sp
USUAL
sp
HOOPS
sp
OF
sp
ERM
sp
DID
ANY
sp
OF
sp
THEM
PLAY
ON
sp
THE
sp
ROADSIDE
sp
UN
UNATTENDED
HAD
sp
ANY
OF
THEM
sp
CROSSED
sp
THE
sp
ROAD
sp
ON
sp
THEIR
OWN
BEARING
IN
MIND
THAT
sp
THEY'RE
ONLY
sp
SIX
sp
AND
sp
SEVEN
sp
IN
sp
MY
CLASS
ER
AND
THEN
TALKING
sp
ERM
ABOUT
sp
HOW
THEY
sp
TRAVELLED
IN
sp
CARS
sp
AND
sp
AND
sp
HOW
MANY
OF
sp
THEM
sp
HAD
sp
RIDDEN
sp
IN
sp
THE
sp
FRONT
SEAT
ER
sp
AND
MOST
OF
sp
THEM
sp
PUT
sp
THEIR
HANDS
sp
UP
AND
I
MEAN
sp
THE
RECOMMENDATION
IS
THAT
IF
sp
YOU'RE
sp
UNDER
TWELVE
sp
YEARS
sp
OF
sp
AGE
YOU
SHOULD
NEVER
RIDE
IN
THE
FRONT
sp
SEAT
sp
AND
SO
ON
AND
SO
FORTH
ERM
sp
AND
I
MEAN
sp
I
I
WAS
JUST
CRINGING
sp
AFTER
sp
THAT
sp
HEARING
sp
ALL
sp
THESE
sp
MINOR
HORROR
sp
STORIES
sp
COMING
sp
COMING
sp
OUT
sp
AND
THEN
TO
sp
CAP
sp
IT
sp
ALL
ONE
sp
LITTLE
GIRL
PUT
HER
HAND
UP
sp
AND
SAID
sp
ERM
MY
DADDY
WAS
sp
STOPPED
sp
BY
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
ONCE
sp
FOR
sp
NOT
sp
WEARING
sp
HIS
SEAT
BELT
sp
PRESUMABLY
HE
sp
WAS
sp
DRIVING
sp
MM
ERM
sp
ER
sp
AND
sp
HE
GOT
A
TICKET
sp
AND
sp
HE
sp
HAD
sp
TO
YOU
sp
KNOW
sp
YOU
HAVE
sp
TO
TAKE
sp
THIS
sp
TICKET
sp
TO
sp
THE
sp
POLICE
sp
STATION
sp
FOR
sp
NOT
sp
HAVING
WORN
sp
HIS
SEAT
BELT
ERM
SO
HE
ALWAYS
sp
LOOKS
OUT
sp
FOR
sp
POLICE
sp
CARS
sp
NOW
BUT
sp
HE
sp
STILL
WON'T
WEAR
HIS
sp
BELT
sp
OH
sp
SO
I
MEAN
sp
SEVERAL
OF
US
sp
AS
sp
TEACHERS
sp
HAVE
sp
GOT
sp
TOGETHER
sp
TODAY
sp
AND
sp
SAID
sp
IT'S
sp
NOT
THE
sp
CHILDREN
WHO
NEED
sp
ROAD
SAFETY
INSTRUCTIONS
sp
IT'S
THE
PARENTS
THE
ADULTS
sp
AND
IN
sp
THE
SAME
WAY
sp
IF
sp
IF
THEY'RE
sp
BEING
GIVEN
THAT
sp
EXAMPLE
MM
sp
OF
sp
HOW
TO
sp
WORM
THEIR
WAY
sp
ROUND
sp
THINGS
sp
ALL
THE
sp
TIME
sp
RATHER
THAN
sp
FOLLOW
sp
THE
RULES
MM
sp
YES
THAT'S
RIGHT
WELL
THEY'RE
GOING
TO
sp
BE
BROUGHT
UP
sp
DISHONEST
IT
sp
STARTS
sp
SMALL
AND
IT
sp
GETS
BIG
sp
YES
IT
DOES
sp
YEAH
sp
WELL
sp
I
I
MEAN
WE
ALL
BENDS
THE
sp
RULES
sp
TO
OUR
OWN
sp
ADVANTAGE
FROM
sp
TIME
sp
TO
TIME
I
MEAN
sp
NOBODY
sp
PRETENDS
sp
THEY'RE
sp
WHITER
sp
THAN
sp
WHITE
sp
BUT
THERE
ARE
VARY
DEGREES
IN
EVERYTHING
AREN'T
sp
THERE
YEAH
sp
WELL
THE
sp
CONCERN
IS
sp
TO
sp
TO
ER
sp
PUNISH
sp
THE
sp
CHILDREN
sp
IN
A
sp
WAY
sp
THAT
sp
THEY
WILL
sp
REALISE
THEY'RE
sp
GOING
TO
WRONG
WAY
sp
BUT
AT
sp
THE
MOMENT
sp
YOU
sp
FEEL
AS
IF
sp
THEY'RE
GETTING
sp
PATTED
ON
sp
THE
HEAD
AND
sp
IT'S
sp
GIVING
THEM
A
PUSH
sp
DOWN
THE
WRONG
WAY
sp
I
FEEL
VERY
sp
SORRY
sp
FOR
sp
FOR
THE
PARENTS
sp
OF
sp
JAMIE
{OOV}
sp
OH
YES
sp
I
MEAN
sp
WHO
CAN
sp
HELP
sp
BUT
sp
FEEL
OTHER
THAN
sp
SORRY
sp
FOR
sp
THEM
BUT
sp
FOR
THEM
TO
sp
TO
BURST
sp
OUT
sp
AND
SAY
THAT
sp
THOSE
sp
TWO
LITTLE
sp
BOYS
sp
WHICH
IS
ALL
THAT
THEY
ARE
sp
MM
sp
LET'S
sp
FACE
sp
IT
YOU
KNOW
DESERVE
sp
TO
BE
LOCKED
sp
UP
sp
FOR
sp
THE
sp
REST
sp
OF
THEIR
sp
NATURAL
sp
LIVES
sp
THAT'S
sp
NOT
GOING
TO
SERVE
ANY
sp
PURPOSE
sp
WHATSOEVER
RIGHT
sp
NO
ON
THE
OTHER
HAND
sp
UNLESS
sp
THEY
GET
sp
HELP
sp
WHILE
THEY'RE
LOCKED
UP
sp
MM
YOU
KNOW
sp
THEY
WON'T
BE
ANY
sp
BETTER
sp
THEY
WON'T
BE
ANY
BETTER
sp
THAT'S
THE
WHOLE
POINT
ISN'T
IT
IN
ANY
CASE
EVEN
sp
THOUGH
THEY
sp
CHOSE
sp
A
A
MINIMUM
sp
SENTENCE
sp
THEY'LL
BE
sp
TWENTY
sp
OR
sp
TWENTY
sp
ONE
sp
YEAH
YEAH
IT'S
IT'S
AS
LONG
AS
sp
THEY'VE
LIVED
ALREADY
PRACTICALLY
sp
YES
sp
BUT
IT'S
sp
PERFECTLY
sp
NATURAL
sp
ISN'T
sp
IT
sp
OH
sp
YES
sp
OH
ABSOLUTELY
I
MEAN
IT'S
sp
PERFECTLY
sp
NATURAL
FOR
HIS
sp
PARENTS
sp
TO
sp
BE
LIKE
sp
THAT
sp
OH
YEAH
sp
YEAH
sp
OH
YEAH
I
MEAN
sp
WOULDN'T
sp
WE
sp
THINK
OH
sp
CERTAINLY
WOULD
sp
I
MEAN
WE
WOULD
WE
WOULD
sp
PROBABLY
WANT
TO
COME
OUT
sp
AND
YOU
KNOW
sp
COMING
DOWN
sp
TO
sp
CHILDREN
ER
sp
ARE
sp
DOING
WILFUL
sp
DAMAGE
AND
sp
ER
sp
GRAFFITI
sp
AND
ALL
sp
THIS
sp
SORT
sp
OF
THING
I
DO
THINK
WHEN
THEY'RE
sp
CAUGHT
sp
THEY
ARE
sp
TO
ME
IT
SEEMS
AS
IF
THEY
OUGHT
TO
sp
BE
MADE
sp
TO
CLEAR
UP
sp
SOME
sp
GRAFFITI
sp
AND
AND
sp
REALISE
sp
WHAT
THEY'RE
DOING
BECAUSE
sp
I
DON'T
sp
THINK
HALF
sp
THE
sp
TIME
sp
THEY
sp
REALISE
sp
THE
THE
sp
UPSET
sp
THEY
sp
CAUSE
NO
WE
HAD
sp
SOME
sp
LITTLE
sp
BOYS
sp
AT
sp
THE
END
sp
THERE
sp
THROWING
sp
STICKS
sp
UP
sp
AT
sp
A
sp
CHESTNUT
sp
TREE
sp
OR
sp
YOU
KNOW
OH
sp
YEAH
sp
AND
ERM
sp
I
WENT
sp
ALONG
sp
LOOK
AT
ALL
THIS
sp
MESS
sp
OH
WE'RE
sp
WE'RE
CLEAR
IT
sp
UP
sp
I
sp
SAID
sp
ERM
WHAT
sp
YOU
DOING
sp
THROWING
sp
STICKS
sp
UP
WHERE
sp
WHERE
sp
THE
sp
STICK
OH
IT'S
sp
UP
sp
THERE
sp
IT
sp
FELL
sp
DOWN
sp
AND
sp
ERM
sp
WENT
ALONG
AND
sp
PICKED
sp
IT
sp
UP
sp
SO
I
TOOK
IT
OFF
sp
THEM
sp
AND
sp
SAID
HOW
WOULD
YOU
sp
LIKE
IT
sp
IF
sp
I
sp
THREW
sp
STICKS
AT
YOU
sp
ANYWAY
sp
THEY
sp
SAID
OH
I'M
sp
SORRY
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
THEY
sp
THEY
sp
SORT
OF
sp
CLEARED
EVERYTHING
UP
sp
AND
WENT
sp
OFF
sp
BUT
sp
I
MEAN
OFTEN
sp
WHEN
YOU
GO
AND
APPROACH
CHILDREN
sp
LIKE
sp
THAT
sp
YOU
sp
FIND
THAT
YOU
sp
KNOW
ALL
YOU
sp
GET
sp
IS
sp
A
sp
MOUTHFUL
sp
OF
YES
sp
THAT'S
sp
TRUE
YES
I'M
AFRAID
sp
YOU
sp
KNOW
THAT
sp
IT'S
IT'S
sp
A
SHAME
BECAUSE
sp
OF
sp
I
sp
I
sp
FEEL
THAT
sp
IF
sp
THEY
ARE
sp
STOPPED
LIKE
sp
THAT
sp
TO
sp
BE
sp
TALKED
sp
TO
AND
sp
QUIETLY
sp
AND
sp
POINT
sp
OUT
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
WHAT
sp
THEY
sp
MM
sp
DOING
sp
WRONG
sp
AND
sp
THAT
YOU
KNOW
sp
THEY'LL
sp
GO
AWAY
sp
BUT
sp
SO
OFTEN
sp
THESE
sp
DAYS
sp
OF
COURSE
sp
THE
sp
PARENTS
ALL
sp
THEY
sp
ALL
sp
TAKE
NO
sp
NOTICE
sp
YEAH
SILLY
sp
OLD
FOOL
YOU
KNOW
sp
MM
sp
WELL
I
WAS
GOING
TO
sp
SAY
AT
sp
LAST
sp
YEAR
AT
sp
MY
sp
FRIENDS
sp
HOUSE
AND
THEY
sp
HAVE
sp
ALL
OPEN
sp
FRONT
sp
BEAUTIFUL
sp
FRONTAGE
sp
NICE
sp
BIG
sp
HOUSE
sp
THEY
sp
ARE
AND
sp
TWO
sp
KIDDIES
ON
sp
BIKES
sp
STARTED
sp
RIDING
sp
DOWN
THE
sp
ACROSS
sp
THE
FRONT
GARDENS
INSTEAD
sp
OF
ON
sp
THE
sp
PAVEMENT
sp
OR
sp
THE
ROAD
sp
AND
SHE
sp
SAID
sp
TO
ME
sp
OH
I'LL
sp
STOP
sp
THIS
sp
I'M
NOT
sp
HAVING
sp
THIS
sp
COS
THERE
WAS
LAWNS
AND
sp
FLOWER
BEDS
AND
EVERYTHING
YOU
sp
SEE
AND
THEY
WAS
sp
GOING
OVER
IT
sp
AND
{OOV}
HER
sp
HUSBAND
sp
GO
AND
GIVE
THEM
A
sp
CLOUT
sp
SO
sp
SHE
sp
SAID
sp
NO
AND
sp
SHE
WALKED
UP
TO
THEM
AND
QUIETLY
sp
SAID
MM
sp
WHERE
sp
DO
YOU
LIVE
sp
THEY
sp
TOLD
HER
WHERE
THEY
LIVED
sp
JUST
UP
THE
ROAD
sp
WELL
SHE
sp
SAID
I
sp
THINK
I'LL
GET
sp
MY
BIKE
sp
OUT
sp
YES
sp
YES
AND
sp
COME
AND
RIDE
OVER
YOUR
MOTHER'S
FRONT
sp
GARDEN
sp
AND
sp
AND
sp
SEE
WHAT
sp
SHE
sp
THINKS
sp
MM
sp
AND
THEY
SAID
OH
NO
sp
SHE
SAID
OH
YES
sp
THIS
sp
IS
WHERE
I
LIVE
sp
AND
YOU'RE
sp
RUNNING
ALL
OVER
IT
LIKE
sp
THIS
sp
AND
sp
SPOILING
sp
IT
sp
I
sp
SHALL
sp
HAVE
sp
TO
COME
AND
DO
IT
sp
TO
sp
YOUR
MOTHER
AND
SEE
WHAT
sp
SHE
THINKS
sp
AND
THEY
sp
THEY
WENT
AWAY
LIKE
LAMBS
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
REALLY
THEY
WAS
SHOCKED
sp
THEIR
sp
THEIR
MOTHER'S
sp
FRONT
LAWN
COULD
sp
VERY
sp
WELL
sp
BEEN
sp
A
sp
WILDERNESS
sp
THAT'S
TRUE
COULDN'T
SPOIL
IT
IF
YOU
sp
TRIED
NO
THAT'S
sp
TRUE
OH
sp
WELL
I
sp
THINK
sp
SHE
sp
SAID
sp
SHE
HAD
sp
FOUND
sp
WHEN
DEALING
WITH
sp
SOME
OF
THESE
OF
sp
KIDS
sp
UP
sp
WHERE
THEY
LIVE
sp
THAT
sp
ERM
sp
A
sp
QUIET
sp
TALK
sp
THERE
AND
THEN
sp
ONLY
TALK
WELL
sp
YES
sp
BETTER
sp
THAN
IF
YOU
SHOUT
BETTER
THAN
IF
YOU
SHOUT
I
THINK
THAT
DEPENDS
ON
WHERE
YOU
LIVE
sp
WELL
THERE
VERY
POSH
HOUSES
IN
THE
ROAD
YEAH
BUT
I
MEAN
CAN
YOU
IMAGINE
PAYING
sp
FOR
THAT
sp
SOME
OF
THE
LOT
THAT
LIVE
ON
sp
YEAH
AN
sp
ESTATE
sp
YOU
KNOW
WELL
I
WELL
IT'S
WORTH
sp
TRYING
sp
ANYWAY
I
MEAN
I
CAME
OUT
OF
sp
CHURCH
sp
ONE
DAY
sp
TO
DO
sp
SOME
VISITING
sp
FROM
sp
THE
OVER
sp
SIXTIES
sp
AND
sp
THERE
sp
WAS
A
sp
BOY
WITH
A
sp
A
sp
GREAT
sp
CHUNK
sp
OF
sp
ROCK
sp
IN
HIS
sp
HAND
AND
HE
sp
WAS
sp
LOOKING
AT
THE
WINDOW
WELL
WE'VE
HAD
AN
AWFUL
LOT
sp
OF
sp
DAMAGE
TO
sp
THE
sp
CHURCH
sp
IN
sp
FACT
ON
ALL
sp
THE
WINDOWS
sp
WIRED
UP
sp
NOW
AND
I
WALKED
sp
UP
sp
TO
HIM
AND
I
sp
JUST
sp
SAID
sp
WOULD
YOU
LIKE
sp
TO
GIVE
TO
sp
ME
sp
SON
sp
AND
sp
HE
TURNED
ROUND
AND
LOOKED
sp
AT
ME
AND
sp
TO
MY
sp
GREAT
SURPRISE
HE
GAVE
IT
sp
TO
ME
I
DIDN'T
KNOW
WHAT
TO
DO
WITH
IT
SO
SURPRISED
sp
BUT
I
SAID
sp
WELL
LOOK
I
THINK
I'D
BETTER
sp
PUT
IT
IN
MY
BAG
sp
DON'T
YOU
IT
sp
WON'T
DO
ANY
HARM
THERE
AND
HE
sp
LOOKED
sp
AT
sp
ME
sp
AND
sp
SAID
sp
I'M
sp
SORRY
sp
BUT
sp
THEN
sp
BEHIND
ME
sp
CAME
A
LOT
sp
OF
OTHER
sp
LADS
sp
YEAH
sp
YOU
GREAT
FOOL
WHAT
DID
YOU
DO
THAT
sp
FOR
AND
WHEN
THEY'RE
ALL
TOGETHER
THAT
THAT'S
sp
WHEN
sp
THE
PROBLEM
IS
THAT'S
WHEN
THE
TROUBLE
STARTS
sp
THAT'S
THAT'S
sp
WHEN
THE
TROUBLE
IS
MM
sp
MM
sp
BUT
THAT'S
THE
SAME
sp
WITH
ANY
GROUP
WHATEVER
sp
AGE
sp
ISN'T
IT
YOU'RE
sp
BEING
ENCOURAGED
FROM
BEING
sp
YEAH
sp
YEAH
sp
OH
sp
YES
sp
BUT
I
sp
I
MEAN
I
sp
I
THINK
IT'S
sp
TRUE
sp
TO
SAY
THAT
sp
NINETY
NINE
sp
TIMES
sp
OUT
OF
sp
A
sp
HUNDRED
sp
IF
sp
YOU
sp
DO
sp
APPROACH
sp
THESE
sp
SO-CALLED
sp
YOBS
sp
AS
sp
IF
sp
THEY'RE
sp
HUMAN
sp
BEINGS
sp
THEY
sp
USUALLY
sp
REACT
sp
LIKE
sp
HUMAN
BEINGS
sp
IT
sp
PAYS
TO
sp
DO
sp
IT
IT
DOES
YEAH
I
sp
THINK
SO
sp
IT
IS
sp
NOT
EASY
sp
TO
sp
APPROACH
sp
THEM
IN
A
sp
SITUATION
sp
LIKE
sp
THAT
sp
WITHOUT
sp
BEING
ANGRY
sp
NO
NO
THE
CLUE
I
I'M
sp
SURE
IF
I
MADE
A
MISTAKES
LIKE
THAT
sp
IT'S
sp
BECAUSE
sp
IT'S
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
MAYBE
ANGRY
AND
I
MADE
THE
WRONG
sp
APPROACH
sp
MM
sp
I
MUST
sp
TELL
YOU
THAT
WHEN
WE
sp
LIVED
sp
IN
sp
MORLEY
sp
IN
sp
UP
IN
YORKSHIRE
sp
WE
ERM
WE
WERE
sp
HAVING
sp
TROUBLE
WITH
sp
SOME
sp
YOBBOS
COMING
sp
UP
sp
FROM
sp
LEEDS
YOU
sp
KNOW
sp
AND
sp
WE
HAD
THERE
sp
WAS
AN
sp
OLD
sp
SERGEANT
sp
IN
sp
IN
sp
MORLEY
sp
YOU
KNOW
sp
FOR
sp
YEARS
sp
AND
sp
TALL
sp
WELL
VERY
WELL
KNOWN
I
sp
CAN'T
REMEMBER
sp
HIS
NAME
sp
NOW
sp
BUT
sp
HE
sp
HE
HAD
sp
TWO
METHODS
sp
OF
GETTING
sp
RID
OF
sp
THEM
ERM
sp
ONE
THEY
WERE
sp
GOING
INTO
A
sp
PUB
AND
GOING
INTO
sp
THE
sp
TOILETS
sp
YOU
sp
KNOW
sp
MAKING
sp
A
SO
HE
HAD
A
sp
A
sp
POLICEMAN
sp
WAITING
sp
IN
AND
THE
TOILETS
sp
FOR
sp
THEM
sp
YOU
sp
SEE
sp
AND
THE
sp
O
ONE
OTHER
NOTABLE
OCCASION
sp
HE
WAS
sp
SEEN
sp
CHASING
THEM
sp
DOWN
THE
MAIN
sp
STREET
sp
IN
sp
MORLEY
sp
HE
sp
GOT
HIS
sp
CAPE
ON
sp
YOU
SEE
HE
sp
WAS
sp
BOOM
sp
WHACKING
THEM
WITH
HIS
sp
CAPE
sp
SORT
OF
sp
CHASING
THEM
OUT
OF
sp
TOWN
sp
YOU
KNOW
AND
sp
I
MUST
SAY
THEY
NEVER
CAME
BACK
IT'S
LIKE
A
sp
MATADOR
YES
I
KNOW
sp
YES
sp
WELL
{OOV}
THE
SUBJECT
WAS
sp
WAS
sp
ER
sp
JUSTICE
sp
FOR
ALL
sp
FACT
sp
OR
sp
FICTION
sp
AND
WE
HAD
A
sp
BIT
sp
OF
BOTH
WOULD
sp
WOULD
WE
sp
THEY
GUESSED
sp
HAS
ANYONE
GUESSED
sp
YEAH
WELL
I
MIGHT
sp
YOU
YOU
KNOW
THEN
sp
YEAH
sp
WOULD
YOU
LIKE
TO
HEAR
THE
CUTTING
sp
IT'S
ONLY
FIFTY
OLD
YEARS
OLD
sp
MM
BUT
IT'S
IN
MY
LITTLE
sp
GREEN
BAG
SOMEWHERE
DO
YOU
KNOW
WHERE
IT
sp
IS
PUT
ON
sp
FLOOR
sp
HERE
MY
LITTLE
sp
GREEN
sp
PLASTIC
sp
BAG
sp
YOU
SHOULD
READ
IT
IT'S
sp
F
sp