| PS1MG | Ag3 | m | (No name, age 35+, teacher) unspecified |
| F7MPSUNK (respondent W0000) | X | u | (Unknown speaker, age unknown) other |
| F7MPSUGP (respondent W000M) | X | u | (Group of unknown speakers, age unknown) other |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [reading] [...] |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[1] set this to right, we must stop |
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[2] so we establish the rule |
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[3] never have the |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[4] by a gr by a grumpy process in |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[5] Well what choice did he |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[6] what choice has he got? |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[7] In the, there was a workhouse and |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[8] [reading] With this view they can trap |
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[9] to lay on and then |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[10] supply of water, and when a |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[11] and half an orange Sunday |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [laugh] |
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[12] they named a great many of [] |
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| (PS1MG) |
[13] Anything else that |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[14] [reading] they make great many other wise and humane |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [laugh] |
| (PS1MG) | [...] [] |
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[15] [reading] This is a, this is [...] [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[16] Yes |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[17] [reading] The room was inseparable from the worker and the [...] [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[18] Okay, so make the, what's going on in England at the time? [19] Paul |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[20] yeah |
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| (PS1MG) |
[21] The, the people in charge see that the work |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[22] are an excellent idea, so if you |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[23] Workers were only used people who could actually work, if people can't do a job then |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[24] they go off to an |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[25] They could do but then again |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[26] of American people could be lost and |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[27] Would they get out of |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[28] very easily? |
| (PS1MG) |
[29] Erm they do what you do |
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| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[30] yeah ... |
| (PS1MG) |
[31] and then again the old people would join the |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[32] sent to Australia ... |
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| (PS1MG) |
[33] There's certain ways that |
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[34] Would you give |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] ... |
| (PS1MG) |
[35] No |
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| (PS1MG) |
[36] But they were criminals anyway |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[37] if you treat honest poor people like this then criminals are lower than, you'd take better care of animals than you would |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[38] Er Nick carry on [reading] from the first six months after Oliver Twist [] you can read |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[39] [reading] For the first six months after Oliver Twist [...] the system was full, was in full operat operation. [40] It was rather extensive at first and consequence of being [...] and a necessity of taking in clothes of all the paupers who, with, which [...] on a, on a waste of [...] after a week or two [...] the number of the workhouse inmates got thin as well as the paupers and the board were in, were in ... [...] and then in which the boys got back, were, were a large [...] was a cop was a copper at one end, after which the master dressed in an apron [...] and assisted by one or two women and they ladled the gruel at meal times. [41] Of this festive composition each boy had one |
| (PS1MG) |
[42] corinder |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[43] corinder and no more except on occasions with great [...] the bowl never wanted washing, the boys polished, polished them with their spoons till they shone again and when they, when they had to form this operation, which never took very long, [...] the bowl, they would sit staring at the copper with such eager eyes as if they could of devoured a [...] of which it was composed. [44] Employing themselves meanwhile and sucking their fingers most assid |
| (PS1MG) |
[45] Assiduously |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[46] assiduously |
| (PS1MG) |
[47] Carefully |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[48] with a, with a the view of catching up any, any spare splashes of gruel that might be cast there thereon. [49] Boys with generally excellent appetite, Oliver Twist and his companions suffered from the tortures of slow starvation, starvation for three months, at least they got so for ferocious [] , is that right? |
| (PS1MG) |
[50] Ferocious, greedy and wild |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[51] [reading] and wild beyond er, that one boy who was [...] and hadn't been used to that sort of thing, for his father had kept a small cook stock [...] his companion that unless he has another basin of gruel [...] he was afraid he might, he might some night happen to eat, eat the boy he slept next to, who happened to be a weakly youth of tender eight [...] and they, and they impeccably believed him. [52] A counsel was held lots were [...] who should walk up to the master after supper that evening and ask for more, it fell Oliver Twist [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[53] What is actually er ... the boy is, could eat the boy next to him erm |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[54] what was it saying that was |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[55] Well erm, it's a bit, he was |
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[56] he was just trying to scare him, trying to scare him |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[57] Were you right when the worst thing that this |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[58] he had big pies |
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| (PS1MG) |
[59] it proves how desperate people get and then he treats them like animals and this boy said I think |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[60] Er [reading] the evening arrived then [] er David |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[61] [reading] The evening arrived, the boys took their places, the master in a cook's uniform stationed himself at the copper. [62] His four assistants [...] behind him. [63] The gruel was served up and a long grace was said over a short [...] the gruel disappeared, the boys looked at each other and went over, while his next neighbours nudged him, tired as he was he was desperately hungry and [...] he rest on the table and [...] the master with his [...] hands he said [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[64] Yeah that's |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[65] please sir, I want some more, the master of the [...] but he turned very pale [...] and then he [...] what, said the master at [...] in a stern voice, please sir, replied Oliver I want some more, the master [...] glare at Oliver's head with the ladle [...] |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[66] in his arms and treat [...] and Mr Bumble rushed into the room with great excitement and addressed the gentleman in the high chair said [...] I beg your pardon sir, Oliver Twist has asked for more, there was a [...] for more said [...] compose yourself Bumble and [...] do I understand that he asked for more after he'd eaten supper [...] he did sir replied Bumble, that boy would be hung [...] I know that boy will be hung [...] |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[67] this boy is a trouble maker and |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[68] and the boy would next morning would pass on the outside of the gate offering a reward of five pounds to anyone who would [...] in other words five pounds for Oliver Twist [...] I never in [...] for this in my life said the [...] in the white, white coat as he locked the gate and he went to [...] the next morning. [69] I never want to [...] ... |
| (PS1MG) |
[70] I had always |
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[71] [...] anything in my life and then I am that boy [...] |
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[72] by the white waistcoat the gentleman [...] [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[73] So what's he got against the |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[74] yeah, erm, he's also, what's his attitude to what he |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[75] yes, but is he, is he terribly serious about his job? |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[76] No, he's very sarcastic |
| (PS1MG) |
[77] Yeah, erm |
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| (PS1MG) |
[78] you're right, |
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| (PS1MG) |
[79] as I first show in sequel whether the white waistcoated gentleman was right or not, I should have |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[80] just yet, whether like Oliver Twist |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[81] Later Oliver Twist was very near getting a |
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| (PS1MG) |
[82] in other words |
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| (PS1MG) |
[83] Sorry |
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[84] It could not of been easy |
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| (PS1MG) |
[85] you'll find out actually why in a moment |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[86] [reading] A week after the [...] had asking for more, Oliver remained greater prisoner in the darken solitary room which he had been consigned by the wisdom and mercy of the board, but it appears that at first sight not unreasonable disclose that [...] for a particular gentleman of white waistcoat. [87] It was established that [...] individual pathetic character once and forever by tying one end of his pocket handkerchief to a hook on, in the wall and attaching himself to the other to the performance, to, to the performance of this feat however [...] the pocket handkerchief inside [...] had been all [...] he, he only cried bitterly all day and when the longest [...] nights came on he spread his little hand before his eyes to shut out the darkness and crouching in the corner tried to sleep, everyone [...] drawing himself closer and closer to the wall [...] [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[88] It's most that any prisoner |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[89] you could do, but then again |
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[90] yeah ... |
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[91] [reading] Let it not be spoke by [...] of the system that during the period of [...] as for exercise it was nice cold weather [...] a public warning had been [...] and so far this [...] uses the same apartment every evening at prayer time and there [...] selfish mind work a general publication for boys contain a special clause [...] by authority of the board in which they repeatedly made good, virtuous, protected, obedient as regarded to a [...] the powers of wickedness as an article direct from [...] [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[92] What is his crime? |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[93] He asked for more |
| (PS1MG) |
[94] He just asked for more ... erm, one thing that is disturbing, what he does very causally mention is what is going on all the time |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] ... [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[95] Well maybe not, but what is going on is |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[96] Fear |
| (PS1MG) |
[97] fear, all the time, if anybody to steps out of line or |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[98] as I was going with the fourth year to |
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| (PS1MG) |
[99] what lies have been used? |
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| (PS1MG) |
[100] how can they justify what they do? |
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| (PS1MG) |
[101] yeah, they |
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| (PS1MG) |
[102] they're being fed, they're still kind people taking care of them, they're very lucky people |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[103] and what do |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[104] and so we presumably, the little children |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[105] well I suppose you get |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[106] in a gutter or something, this place would be better, as long as you get fed, the stuff you get there is horrible, but at least it's food and er, these kind people are taking care of it. [107] In the outside world there's people waiting to exploit children and |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[108] er Anthony do you want |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[109] Erm [reading] with [...] chimney sweeper was waiting down in the high street [...] he was waiting there [...] whoa said Mr [...] to the donkey, the donkey was [...] wondering probably whether he was [...] so without listening to a word of warning he jumped on him [...] [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[110] What makes you a bit disturbed about that? |
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[111] He's trying to smash |
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| (PS1MG) |
[112] Yes if he keeps the donkey like that |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) |
[113] How's he treat children |
| (PS1MG) |
[114] how he treat children, yeah |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[115] [reading] The gentleman with the white waistcoat [] |
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[116] [reading] The gentleman with the white waistcoat was standing at the gate with his hands behind him after having delivered himself [...] having witnessed [...] with the donkey he smiled rejoicedly when that [...] the door, he saw at once it was Mr [...] Mr [...] smiled [...] as he pursued the [...] I am said the gentleman in the white waistcoat [...] [] |
| (PS1MG) |
[117] Erm ... what is a |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[118] erm, you say the young boy was |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[119] Erm, where they, where they work as giving five pounds and Oliver Twist |
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[120] or did they want five pounds for him? |
| (PS1MG) |
[121] Er I gather they |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[122] and er ... the workhouse, the gentleman in the white waistcoat, why does he think that this |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
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[123] would feed the child regularly in a |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[124] That's it, yeah, he's |
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| (PS1MG) |
[125] that beats the donkey, I mean all the donkey does is |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[126] he hits the donkey while he pulls the reins, hits the donkey again and he finds out later that |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] [laugh] [...] |
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[127] [reading] Well [...] the man in the white waistcoat [...] followed the gentleman with the white waistcoat into [...] even if he gets stuck in a chimney, worse thing that he [...] the gentleman in the white waistcoat appeared [...] his only chance he has is |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[128] Okay, now ... erm now what's he supposed to be assessed by the board have they just said |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[129] er, why are |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[130] what's he doing? |
| Unknown speaker (F7MPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS1MG) |
[131] Yeah, it's all religious, hypocrisy okay, humane, it's humane to slog these boys down the chimney, yeah, it's humane giving them a good beating isn't it, right then. |