| PS28P | X | u | (No name, age unknown, doctor) unspecified |
| PS28R | X | u | (No name, age unknown) unspecified |
| (PS28P) |
[1] The bad news they haven't arrived so, and that rather, it still |
| (PS28R) |
[2] Yes. |
| (PS28P) |
[3] it still ties my hands, hands somewhat |
| (PS28R) |
[4] I mean |
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[5] because I received no further communication from anyone so |
| (PS28R) |
[6] Erm I don't know if this would help, because, you know I'm, I, I said that. |
| (PS28P) |
[7] Ooh a D S S book. |
| (PS28R) |
[8] Yes that erm you know they wouldn't |
| (PS28P) |
[9] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[10] actually give some money, well they've sent this, they've sent this letter so |
| (PS28P) |
[11] [...] still got a D S S book going so |
| (PS28R) |
[12] No this is the o yeah, this is the one that they sent you see? [13] When I |
| (PS28P) |
[14] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[15] came to you and said, you know they won't send any money because I haven't got a note, but because you was a bit, you know, doctor's |
| (PS28P) |
[16] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[17] a bit suspicious. [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[18] Well you've got a book, so you can still actually er |
| (PS28R) |
[19] Yeah, but you see they sent this on the twenty ninth of June |
| (PS28P) |
[20] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[21] but the thing is this doctor's note runs out yesterday, [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[22] Mm. |
| (PS28R) |
[23] see, so I can't really cash any more, you know? |
| (PS28P) |
[24] Why not? |
| (PS28R) |
[25] Well because I haven't had a doctor's note and it makes it a bit difficult if I cash it. |
| (PS28P) |
[26] But they would have only given you a book for |
| (PS28R) |
[27] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[28] that long, if you had a valid doctor's note for that time, surely? |
| (PS28R) |
[29] No, no. [30] You have to get another one, you see. [31] It doesn't work like that. [32] I mean that's some proof, [...] I mean [...] I [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[33] It's proof that someone's issued a book to you, yeah. [34] I'm not quite, has, is th it gives no indication of why it's been issued, that's the catch. |
| (PS28R) |
[35] Well, see these are the ones that I sent in and I didn't think they would, they would agree with because they were duplicates unless they found the original. |
| (PS28P) |
[36] Mm. |
| (PS28R) |
[37] Do you follow? |
| (PS28P) |
[38] No they won't accept duplicates as a rule. |
| (PS28R) |
[39] Well they put those in anyway, so unless they found the original ones, [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[40] That's, that's two months and that keep [tongue-tied verbal babbling] that keeps you covered for a while, doesn't it? |
| (PS28R) |
[41] But you see the thing is, that's true but sometimes the way they deal with it, they deal with it say eight weeks, so which makes it what? [42] About sevent |
| (PS28P) |
[43] Yeah, he's just put yeah he's just put depression. [44] I mean how do you actually feel at the moment? |
| (PS28R) |
[45] Well, I feel better than I was, but I've been at Haywoods Heath which was a religious community |
| (PS28P) |
[46] Hmm. |
| (PS28R) |
[47] and er I feel, I feel as though I'm generally [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[48] Mm. [49] Aye. [50] What about sleep patterns? |
| (PS28R) |
[51] That's fine. |
| (PS28P) |
[52] And mood during the day? |
| (PS28R) |
[53] That's fine, not too bad. ... |
| (PS28P) |
[54] See if you're actually better medically |
| (PS28R) |
[55] Mm. |
| (PS28P) |
[56] you actually become fit for work. |
| (PS28R) |
[57] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[58] Ah [laughing] in which case it'd be wrong for me to say that you're not fit for work anyway [] . |
| (PS28R) |
[59] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[60] So er I mean if you, if you, you know, if you do feel you're looking better I mean you look, you know |
| (PS28R) |
[61] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[62] fairly okay. |
| (PS28R) |
[63] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[64] So I mean if you, if that's how you actually feel then what we should really do is to sign a note at some stage saying you are fit for work on a certain date. |
| (PS28R) |
[65] Mhm. |
| (PS28P) |
[66] And er then what will happen is the benefit you receive will change from |
| (PS28R) |
[67] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[68] erm sickness benefit or invalidity benefit depending |
| (PS28R) |
[69] Mm. |
| (PS28P) |
[70] how long you've been off for, to unemployment |
| (PS28R) | [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[71] benefit, if you're eligible. [72] So I, and, and to be honest I think that's what we ought to do at this stage, |
| (PS28R) |
[73] Mhm. |
| (PS28P) |
[74] if you remain fairly well. [75] Now obviously |
| (PS28R) |
[76] Mm. |
| (PS28P) |
[77] if how you are |
| (PS28R) |
[78] Mm. |
| (PS28P) |
[79] changes, |
| (PS28R) |
[80] Mhm. |
| (PS28P) |
[81] You know it's a different ball game |
| (PS28R) |
[82] Mm. |
| (PS28P) |
[83] and then we have to reassess you and say you're medically |
| (PS28R) |
[84] Mm. |
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[85] unfit and then we sign you off. [86] But then |
| (PS28R) |
[87] Mm. |
| (PS28P) |
[88] also we ought to be treating it, are you not actually having any active treatment at the moment are you? |
| (PS28R) |
[89] No. |
| (PS28P) |
[90] No. |
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[91] You see ... you see I don't mean to be erm rude or anything but as I'm sure you understand you can't really you know, you know write a note without my doctor's notes, because you see I, I think if I get a job at the moment I think it'll just, it won't last |
| (PS28P) |
[92] No. [93] Well I, I |
| (PS28R) | [...] |
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[94] I could write a note |
| (PS28R) | [...] |
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[95] on my own assessment, |
| (PS28R) |
[96] Right yes [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[97] but I have got nothing to back up, it's a bit like |
| (PS28R) |
[98] before you have the notes? |
| (PS28P) |
[99] Oh I can, oh yes I can, I could |
| (PS28R) |
[100] Yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[101] write a note treating |
| (PS28R) |
[102] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[103] you as my own patient |
| (PS28R) |
[104] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[105] on a, on how I find you at a particular time. |
| (PS28R) |
[106] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[107] But what I can't do is to look back and saying you've been, you are like this now but |
| (PS28R) | [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[108] we know from your previous history, that this |
| (PS28R) |
[109] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[110] is the course of events |
| (PS28R) | [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[111] and perhaps it'd be reasonable to wait longer before we say you're fit for work. [112] And I haven't got much evidence |
| (PS28R) |
[113] You can't do that until you get the notes can you? |
| (PS28P) |
[114] Well it's a bit i well I, well I could do but it's a bit tricky I mean to some |
| (PS28R) |
[115] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[116] extent I'd be happy to keep you going for a bit longer. |
| (PS28R) |
[117] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[118] There's no [...] . [119] What I don't really want to do is to sign you off sick long term, without really knowing I mean |
| (PS28R) |
[120] Mhm. |
| (PS28P) |
[121] what's been happening before, what's been said |
| (PS28R) |
[122] Yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[123] to you, what's been given |
| (PS28R) |
[124] Yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[125] to you. |
| (PS28R) |
[126] Yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[127] Exactly what sort of thing you've been in. [128] And you can say some of |
| (PS28R) |
[129] Yeah that's, that's [...] what I [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[130] to me but I d I still, I don't get the same feeling from you as perhaps I might with medical notes, if you see what I mean? |
| (PS28R) |
[131] Well I, I, no I agree |
| (PS28P) |
[132] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[133] with you precisely |
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[134] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[135] I think that you can't really make a decision until you have that literature, you can't. |
| (PS28P) |
[136] It's tricky. |
| (PS28R) |
[137] But what I'm, what I'm, is because you've got this order book |
| (PS28P) |
[138] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[139] and these, you know things from the benefits er agency, because if I cash any more it makes it so I mean |
| (PS28P) |
[140] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[141] what, you see I don't know when these notes are going to come up |
| (PS28P) |
[142] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[143] you see? |
| (PS28P) |
[144] Well what I |
| (PS28R) |
[145] And I need this cash . |
| (PS28P) |
[146] Yeah. [147] I mean what I suggest we |
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[148] do |
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[149] Yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[150] given you're, given how you are at the moment, which |
| (PS28R) |
[151] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[152] is probably not one hundred percent medically fit, |
| (PS28R) |
[153] Yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[154] [cough] is to actually give you another note for the moment for say |
| (PS28R) |
[155] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[156] erm where are we now? [157] We're July, so if I say another six weeks, that'll actually get |
| (PS28R) |
[158] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[159] us through to the first week of September. |
| (PS28R) |
[160] Right, so these [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[161] And then |
| (PS28R) |
[162] you can [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[163] and then have another chat. [164] And if you are fairly okay then we'll probably say well we'll sign you off at this stage anyway. [165] But |
| (PS28R) |
[166] Mm. |
| (PS28P) |
[167] at least we'll have the notes to back up what we're doing, and I |
| (PS28R) |
[168] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[169] think that'd be sensible. [170] It'll |
| (PS28R) |
[171] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[172] keep you ticking over for the moment |
| (PS28R) | [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[173] which is what you need. |
| (PS28R) |
[174] Yeah, yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[175] And it'll erm, and I think that'll be reasonable. |
| (PS28R) |
[176] Yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[177] Is that okay? |
| (PS28R) |
[178] That seems okay for now, yeah but |
| (PS28P) |
[179] It's a sort of compromise |
| (PS28R) |
[180] when you |
| (PS28P) |
[181] decision but it is difficult to know which way to go, when you're actually up you know, I, I wouldn't say you're a hundred percent but I wouldn't say |
| (PS28R) |
[182] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[183] there's anything too much wrong with you either. |
| (PS28R) |
[184] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[185] Now what I've got to put a diagnosis on this, so if I write depression cos that has been the problem hasn't it? |
| (PS28R) |
[186] Right, yes. |
| (PS28P) |
[187] Yeah, is that fair enough? |
| (PS28R) |
[188] Yeah. |
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[189] And if I put six weeks, now this'll overlap slightly with the present one, that doesn't matter the D S S don't give two hoots from that point of view, and that'll then run out six weeks, which is about the beginning of September |
| (PS28R) |
[190] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[191] exactly. |
| (PS28R) |
[192] But I, you know, I agree with this, thanks for the, writing the note, but |
| (PS28P) |
[193] That's okay. |
| (PS28R) |
[194] erm ... [...] especially that when you get those er notes from Haywoods Heath, |
| (PS28P) |
[195] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[196] and then see what you think. [197] But I mean I don't want to stay on the sickness but it is |
| (PS28P) |
[198] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[199] invalidity. [200] It's Sickness Benefit on your |
| (PS28P) |
[201] Mm. |
| (PS28R) |
[202] Income Support. [203] So it's |
| (PS28P) |
[204] Mm. |
| (PS28R) |
[205] exactly the same amount of money |
| (PS28P) |
[206] Yeah, oh yeah. [207] So you won't gain any extra, yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[208] [...] not Unemployment Benefit, [...] ordinary Income Support |
| (PS28P) |
[209] Mhm. |
| (PS28R) |
[210] but, you know, when you get those notes if you could look at them and see what you think |
| (PS28P) |
[211] Mm. [212] Yeah I think they'll be informative. |
| (PS28R) |
[213] Mm. [214] Oh yes, yes . |
| (PS28P) |
[215] Yeah. [216] It's a question of getting them back, they haven't long gone but er |
| (PS28R) |
[217] Right. |
| (PS28P) |
[218] they will return, complete I hope. [219] Okay . |
| (PS28R) |
[220] Right. [221] [...] is that there's no point in, in er me going to work if it's going to just, you know, work out |
| (PS28P) |
[222] No. |
| (PS28R) |
[223] so I'm just, you know, unemployed again. |
| (PS28P) |
[224] Yeah. |
| (PS28R) |
[225] But as I say, when you get those notes, if you really, you know, try and understand them so [sniff] you know [...] |
| (PS28P) |
[226] And if I can read the other doctor's handwriting. |
| (PS28R) |
[227] Yes. |
| (PS28P) |
[228] [laugh] Anyhow we'll sort that out in September, I'm sure they'll be there. [229] We sent in an urgent request three |
| (PS28R) |
[230] Yes. |
| (PS28P) |
[231] weeks ago for those and I'd be very surprised if they don't [...] soon |
| (PS28R) |
[232] Apparently they should be on their way because Nottingham was er |
| (PS28P) |
[233] They should be. |
| (PS28R) |
[234] Yeah. |
| (PS28P) |
[235] They should be. |
| (PS28R) |
[236] Alright, thanks very much . |
| (PS28P) |
[237] Right okay, take care of yourself. |