| PS47D | X | m | (No name, age unknown, lecturer, no further information given) unspecified |
| PS47E | X | m | (Berkam, age unknown, pupil) unspecified |
| PS47F | X | f | (No name, age unknown, teacher, no further information given) unspecified |
| PS47G | X | f | (No name, age unknown, no further information given) unspecified |
| PS47H | X | m | (David, age unknown, pupil, no further information given) unspecified |
| PS47J | X | f | (No name, age unknown, pupil) unspecified |
| PS47K | X | m | (No name, age unknown, teacher) unspecified |
| PS47L | X | u | (No name, age unknown, pupil) unspecified |
| PS47M | X | u | (No name, age unknown, teacher) unspecified |
| JJSPSUNK (respondent W0000) | X | u | (Unknown speaker, age unknown) other |
| JJSPSUGP (respondent W000M) | X | u | (Group of unknown speakers, age unknown) other |
| (PS47D) |
[1] What number are you dividing by if you [...] ? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[2] If I'm halving by ten. [3] The number [...] . |
| (PS47D) |
[4] Ah, right. [5] Now, that sign which we call in maths, a divide sign or a share sign, doesn't mean halving it, right, it only means halving if you are dividing by what number? |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[6] No, not quite. [7] Well if I, if I have ten pounds for example and I want to halve it, what would the answer be? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[8] half of ten |
| (PS47D) |
[9] Mhm, five, what number what number have I divided by. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[10] ten |
| (PS47D) |
[11] No not ten, cos you see, ten divided by ten would be one wouldn't it? [12] ... So ... If I do this, ten and I halve it and I get five, what number have I divided by? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[13] One. |
| (PS47D) |
[14] No, ten divided by one, I'll tell you is ten. [15] Because you are saying how many ones go into ten. [16] Let me write this down for you, ten divide by one is ten, because you are saying how many ones are in ten and the answer is ten, okay? [17] Now when I said if you halved ten pounds and you get five, what number must go there? [18] Any ideas? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[19] five? |
| (PS47D) |
[20] Then you'd are saying how many fives in ten, the answer is two. [21] We know the answer is five [...] |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[22] [...] ten divide by two equals five. |
| (PS47D) |
[23] Good. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[24] Two. |
| (PS47D) |
[25] That's right. [26] Yes. [27] [...] two in there, okay. [28] Now ... that's called halving by dividing by two, that's halving. [29] But when you see that divide sign, it's not always halving is is it? [30] Were you halving here when we were dividing by what number. [31] So that sign means divide by or a lot of school people talk about sharing by, sharing by, dividing by. [32] Right, [clears throat] so over here then, do you think that's your final answer? [33] Right okay. [34] Erm ... I wonder if you've remembered the short cut of this. [35] Has anyone ever told you about moving the decimal point? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[36] See we've done it all without decimal point on the calculator, and we never done [...] . |
| (PS47D) |
[37] Right, so we need to really think about all this from scratch don't you, mm, pity the others aren't here actually [...] . [38] Erm ... right, okay, I'll tell you what, copy down [...] onto there. [39] Put, can you put a heading along there, decimals, decimals, if we can get you understanding this, you can help a few other people. [40] [clears throat] [...] Erm ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[41] Who are you logged in as? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[42] My name. |
| (PS47D) |
[43] Right. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[44] Move down on to the second page then. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[45] [...] Oh it's S F O nine, yes. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[46] So we select it, now do page down, Danny. [47] Now it's going to the main menu. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[48] That'll be all right now. [49] okay? [50] ... Right, [...] , what we'll do is we'll get you thoroughly understanding this and you might be able to help the others [...] . [51] All right? [52] ... You want to space this out [...] so space it out. [53] Suppose we've got ... this decimal here ... now, can you tell me what have we got two of, what have we got two of? [54] ... . We've got things like tens, millions, millionths, tenths, tens, what is it that we've got two of. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[55] Sorry. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[56] Forty-nine. |
| (PS47D) |
[57] Forty-nine? [58] Why do you say forty-nine? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[59] cos there's another one there. |
| (PS47D) |
[60] Right, we've got forty-nine there haven't we, but here there's a two, okay? [61] Now what is it that we've got two of? [62] ... Well, let me give you a clue. [63] Erm ... this here is forty, that's four tens, four tens are forty. [64] They're tens, four tens are forty. [65] What is it that we've got nine of here? [66] ... Think ... [...] What is it that we've got er nine of? ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[67] Nine? |
| (PS47D) |
[68] Er well I think I'll have to show you [...] . [69] These are ones here, you see that's saying we've got four tens, forty, and then we've got nine ones, so that's how we get forty-nine. [70] Now if we go to the right of the decimal point, are these ... bigger things or smaller. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[71] They're smaller. |
| (PS47D) |
[72] They're smaller things, good. [73] Now what is it that have got two of? [74] Tens, ones, smaller than ones? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[75] Nought. |
| (PS47D) |
[76] Not nought ... I can understand why you said nought. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[77] half |
| (PS47D) |
[78] Aah, they're fractions, aren't they. [79] They're fractions. [80] Danny it's just occurred to me because we're tape recording we'd better just stop print just at the moment, we'll just leave that off line [...] we can do it later. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[81] Erm ... . |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[82] halves |
| (PS47D) |
[83] Right, now you're thinking it's fractions, tiny, smaller things. [84] Erm but we, we've got to [...] tens and tenths, hundreds and hundredths, thousands and thousandths, so it's not halves, but it's ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[85] Quarters. |
| (PS47D) |
[86] No, not quarters. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[87] fractions |
| (PS47D) |
[88] It's a decimal system, it's what we call a decimal system, decimals. [89] It's all centered around tens and tenths, hundreds and hundredths, right, so what's the first fraction that you put here then? [90] ... Just use ones and zeros, you can't use anything else. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[91] Ones and zeros. |
| (PS47D) |
[92] Ones and zeros. [93] Can't have a quarter, cos there's a four there, can't have a half, cos there's a two there. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[94] One. |
| (PS47D) |
[95] One, but we want a fraction ... One over ... what's the bottom number going to be? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[96] Nought. |
| (PS47D) |
[97] Not nought. [98] Ten. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[99] Ten. |
| (PS47D) |
[100] These are tenths, yes. [101] [...] tenths. okay? and then what are these? [102] ... Getting smaller, but you can only use ones and noughts ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[103] Nine |
| (PS47D) |
[104] You can't have a nine, only ones and noughts. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[105] Erm ... |
| (PS47D) |
[106] Right, you've never, I don't think you been shown this have you really? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[107] thousand. |
| (PS47D) |
[108] Right, good, only can have ones and noughts. [109] Now, if we go on, what would the next one be. [110] How many zeros? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[111] Erm ... |
| (PS47D) |
[112] One, two, three ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[113] Five. |
| (PS47D) |
[114] One, two, three ... why did you suddenly leap up to five |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[115] One, two, three, four. |
| (PS47D) |
[116] Four. [117] Yes, that's right ... Next one. [118] Right. [119] How do we say these things [...] |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[120] Hundreds. |
| (PS47D) |
[121] Hundredths. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[122] Hundredths. |
| (PS47D) |
[123] Yes. [124] This is thousandths, yes. [125] How do we say this one? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[126] Ten thousandths. |
| (PS47D) |
[127] Well done. [128] Now, can you just say it again? [129] Ten ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[130] Ten thousandths. |
| (PS47D) |
[131] Yes, you've got to put a th on the end. [132] Ten thousandths. [133] Right. [134] One ten thousandth. [135] And then this one ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[136] A hundred thousandths |
| (PS47D) |
[137] Well done, yes, a hundred thousandths. [138] Yes, that's right. [139] And then I haven't got space now, but here you'd have a millionth, six noughts that'd been a million. [140] Right, now that's what a decimal is [...] a decimal is, that's what a decimal is, and there are some people think we should write them like this, or you couldn't, you couldn't do this. [141] It's nice just to see it once, that er really ... that nine should be written smaller and then that two should be even smaller still, and that three should almost be unreadable because those things are smaller and smaller aren't they, as you go along there, these are getting tinier and tinier. [142] Right now ... [...] |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[143] nice and quiet |
| (PS47D) |
[144] [laughing] Yes Erm [] |
| (PS47F) |
[145] You don't have a lighter by any chance, do you? |
| (PS47D) |
[146] I'm afraid I don't smoke. |
| (PS47F) |
[147] No. |
| (PS47D) |
[148] Sorry. |
| (PS47F) |
[149] It's all right, I just wanted to see whether this little boy is concussed or not. |
| (PS47D) |
[150] Oh. |
| (PS47F) |
[151] He's had a terrific bang on the back of his head and ... |
| (PS47D) |
[152] Yes |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[153] I don't know, that's the old time honoured way of doing it, isn't it? |
| (PS47D) |
[154] Oh, right |
| (PS47F) |
[155] Oh |
| (PS47D) |
[156] has an ambulance been called then? |
| (PS47F) |
[157] No, he doesn't want to go home. [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[158] Is he feeling all right? |
| (PS47F) |
[159] Yes, but it hurts when he turns his head. [160] He's got ever such you know a lump on the back of the head. [161] I think he needs looking at. [162] I've told him to go and sit quietly. |
| (PS47D) |
[163] Right, how's he up here then. [164] Why is he up here? |
| (PS47F) |
[165] Well, cos I'm Florence Nightingale. |
| (PS47D) |
[166] Hah cos I bet, yeah where is he? |
| (PS47F) |
[167] Danny, come here a minute love. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[168] He doesn't want to go home [...] |
| (PS47F) |
[169] Yeah, I did. |
| (PS47D) |
[170] [...] ... Right. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[171] Thank you [laugh] right now [...] a really clever thing then that you should know about is if I want to times that number by ten right. [172] Everything in it will get ten times bigger won't it ... Right, and this is why the short cut works, because a really clever way of timesing that by ten is to make that number come here, that number come there, this number come here, right, this number come here, and this number come here. [173] We move every number, promote each number, make it go higher, right then we've multiplied that number by ten haven't you. [174] Yeah. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[175] Yeah. |
| (PS47D) |
[176] Now, look what's happened to the point. [177] goes after the nine there, but it's now after the ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[178] Two. |
| (PS47D) |
[179] Two. [180] So some people like to think that the point has moved one place to the right. [181] What's really happened is that all the numbers have moved one place to the left. [182] Right, but it's easier to see the point moving than the numbers really. [183] So the quick way, then, of doing these decimals is just to move the move the point. [184] Yeah? [185] Now, if you're doing a divide, you want to demote all the numbers, don't you. [186] You want to put them one down. [187] Yes. [188] So, if you're doing a divide, you want instead of four tens, you just want that to be four ones, don't you? [189] So, if you're doing a divide, the four will go there, the nine will go there, the two will go there, the three will go there, and the four will go there. [190] So look what's happened to the point. [191] It was after the nine, but now it's after the four |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[192] Four . |
| (PS47D) |
[193] So that divided forty-nine point two three four by ten and it's as if I've moved the point one place back. [194] You understand? [195] [cough] Have you met this before? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[196] Not this way. |
| (PS47D) |
[197] No. [198] It's interesting isn't it. [199] cos you're Year Nine now, and I would have thought somewhere along the line that you'd met this. [200] Right. [201] Well, I'll tell you what then Erm How about you ... constructing your own worksheet on this. [202] Would you like to? |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[203] It's all right. |
| (PS47D) |
[204] On the computer and then you can actually do this. [205] All right? okay? [206] Erm so do you want to log in perhaps over there, log in over there , erm and I'll show you what to do and then what, the sheet you do you right, we'll produce for other people, couldn't we. [207] Right, so, rather than me just do some boring stuff there. [208] All right? [209] ... Just [...] okay ... Right ... So if you log in now I think we ... will go into Word, right, we'll do this in Word, all right, Word for Windows ... so connect to network ... Log in as you. [210] Oh, before we go any further, yes, sorry, no, you're right ... Liam can you make sure that computer's on please that one. [211] Otherwise, oh, it's just the monitor that's off is it? [212] ... It's just that otherwise when we choose the printer, we erm ... can I just see your screen, Liam. [213] That's it, press when it comes up connect to network press return, we must get beyond connect to network. [214] All right? |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[215] Now, hold on, [...] we'll just choose the printer before we go any further ... Can you just put the printer off line, Liam. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[216] How do you do that? |
| (PS47D) |
[217] Just press the top button ... Right, we'll select S S F O nine, select printer. [218] Right? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[219] Mhm. |
| (PS47D) |
[220] Page down. [221] [...] Yeah, takes you to the end of this menu and we can return to the main menu, and er we won't er have to select printer again will we |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[222] That's what I did. [223] sir [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[224] Did you? [225] That's why [...] space [...] |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[226] I've saved it on [...] . |
| (PS47D) |
[227] You did. [228] Oh good ... . [229] Right, word full stop word ... Erm ... [...] right, press return a few times [...] then choose centering button and table, insert table, and now we're going to have a table whe where I thought we could have a number and it can either be times or divide by something and then the answer, so we want how many columns? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[230] Three. |
| (PS47D) |
[231] Three so number of columns three, and I'm not quite sure how many rows we want, how many questions we get on a page but perhaps try for thirty something like that, okay okay, now table isn't showing, go to view, oh, go to tables sorry table and you see grid lines is not clicked so click on grid lines, and if the table doesn't show that's usually why. [232] Erm ... right, [...] word in there [...] decimals in capitals decimal |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[233] How'd you spell decimal |
| (PS47D) |
[234] [spelling] D E C I M A L [] ... And then ... well you're still in that [...] put your mouse on there. [235] Erm ... how strange ... Oh, I know what's happened, you've still got the centering icon going so it's centering these [...] . [236] Erm ... multiply or divide by, multiply or divide by ... M ... [spelling] M U L T I P L Y [] space, space or |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[237] Or? |
| (PS47D) |
[238] [...] Yes do it small or, do it small letters ... space, space, then divide. |
| (PS47G) |
[239] Mr there's a telephone call for you. |
| (PS47D) |
[240] Do you know who it's from? |
| (PS47G) |
[241] Yeah. |
| (PS47D) |
[242] okay [laugh] ... |
| (PS47G) |
[243] What you doing young man? |
| (PS47D) | [...] |
| (PS47G) |
[244] Oh, right. [245] What you doing Danny? |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47G) |
[246] Oh, I see. [247] Is this on now? [248] Right. [249] And what are you doing? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[250] How do you spell divide, miss? |
| (PS47G) |
[251] Divide? [252] What's it start with? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[253] D |
| (PS47G) |
[254] Right |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[255] I |
| (PS47G) |
[256] Mm. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[257] I. |
| (PS47G) |
[258] D, right, now what d'you put on the end that makes an I sound I, the magic ... |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[259] E |
| (PS47G) |
[260] Right. [261] okay. [262] Divide, that's right, no. [263] Multiply or Divide with an e on the end |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47G) |
[264] What goes in the end column. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47G) |
[265] What goes in the end column after you've got decimal multiply or divide? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47G) |
[266] On here. [267] Have you done this one, Danny? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[268] What's that, miss? |
| (PS47G) |
[269] What goes in this end column, here? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[270] Erm ... I think it's the equals I dunno but |
| (PS47G) |
[271] Have you done this one? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[272] Don't think so. |
| (PS47G) |
[273] Have you done this one, David? |
| David (PS47H) |
[274] Erm ... |
| (PS47G) |
[275] What about matey over there. [276] Have you done this one? [277] What goes in this end column here? [278] [...] Decimal, multiply, divide ... |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[279] I dunno |
| (PS47G) |
[280] Might be answer, miss. |
| (PS47G) |
[281] Did Mr tell you and you've forgotten. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[282] No. |
| (PS47G) |
[283] Right, well, you'd better wait, ah here he comes |
| (PS47D) |
[284] Mr 's on the 'phone. |
| (PS47G) |
[285] Mr , oh, lovely, right that's Danny's dad. |
| (PS47D) | [...] |
| (PS47G) |
[286] Right, okay. |
| (PS47D) | [...] |
| (PS47G) |
[287] I couldn't tell [...] what to put in that end column. |
| (PS47D) |
[288] Ah, right, right, okay. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[289] Sir, it is alright if I do that art quiz, while I'm waiting to print off my work? |
| (PS47D) |
[290] Yes, yes, okay. [291] Right, Erm ... multiply and divide by, put the word by, okay [...] and then erm answer A N, yes capitals, [spelling] A N S W E R [] Good, now [...] we've printed this [...] come out with grid lines, we got to format it so what we do is [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[292] table, select table yes, [...] , select table, select |
| (PS47D) |
[293] Tables, er ... [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[294] [...] undo table, yes it's a very useful facility. [295] If you make a mistake with Word, right, then you can always undo it, right, if you ever make a mistake don't panic cos you can always undo it but you only get the one chance if you go on working then you can't undo it. [296] So what we do is erm ... your your cursor must be in the table somewhere, so you then go up to table, select table, then you've got to format, border, and grid ... so we want the grid lines to show then in fact you can chose what we want for the outside border one of these ... [...] ... Right, [...] ... okay [...] ... Now what I want you to do is set the questions, right? [297] Now, what we'll do is this ... Erm ... Get into your table and put a decimal there, now you can choose, I don't mind what you have, right? so you're going to do some like that right. [298] Here you're going to tell people what to multiply and divide by. [299] Now, don't make it too difficult, the big problem with kids sett setting sheets they that they make it far harder than the teacher ever would so do don't be over ambitious, let's have a few easy ones to start with, right. [300] You leave that blank, because that's where they are going to put the answer. [301] Right? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[302] Can I put any number like four, three point whatever? |
| (PS47D) |
[303] Yeah, you can choose any decimal, it doesn't have to even start with numbers, cos it could start with zero, it doesn't, doesn't have, doesn't have, it doesn't have to be bigger than one, it can be smaller than one. [304] [...] okay? [305] Now just so that they see whether to times or divide we've got to tell them, it's no good just putting a ten there is it I've got to say it's a times or divide okay? [306] So, what I would suggest is ... erm ... times is easy because you can just use an x for times small x I think. [307] Leave some space there I think, you need to make a space, that looks good. [308] The silly thing is there is no divide on here and ... the only thing I can suggest really, there is a divide symbol in the computer that we can drag out but to drag it out every time it's too boring really so I'll think we use this I don't like using this, but you see this symbol here, that's what they really use for divide, so if you do that and a couple spaces, people will learn that that means divide, it's all we can do really |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[309] Or we could if we could be bothered we could write the word divide. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[310] In this box here? |
| (PS47D) |
[311] All right? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[312] Sir, could I [...] a ... a million. |
| (PS47D) |
[313] Yes, you can have millions if you want it. [314] Yes. [315] Erm ... this first two we'd tell people the answers to, so what answer would this one be that times by ten and all that happens [...] . [316] All that happens when we times by ten is that the point moves one place to the right, so what will be the answer can you tell me the answer to that one? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[317] Will it be twenty-three nine point eight seven. |
| (PS47D) |
[318] How do you say that number? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[319] Twenty ... erm two hundred and firty-nine point eight seven. |
| (PS47D) |
[320] Good, well done. [321] This one [clears throat] is a bit tricky for a second question, I think I might revise this actually. [322] Erm ... made this a bit too hard to start with. [323] One like that, you see we'd have to move the point two places to the left, so we'll have to introduce another zero. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[324] Yeah, I I've done that. |
| (PS47D) |
[325] You've done that. [326] Now let's get [...] sheet [...] . [327] Right, now, what erm what would the answer be here |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[328] That would be thirty-four ... four ... er point seven one eight. |
| (PS47D) |
[329] Right now you've only moved the point once. |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[330] Oh, [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[331] [...] so what will the answer be? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[332] It'll be three point |
| (PS47D) |
[333] Good. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[334] well done |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[335] this is simple |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[336] Sir, I can't get into Windows. |
| (PS47D) |
[337] Right, I'll come and help you . [338] Erm ... would you like to carry on with that? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[339] Put all the answers in? |
| (PS47D) |
[340] No, we'll leave those for the people to put in. [341] You just set the questions. |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[342] Right, David, what's the problem? |
| David (PS47H) |
[343] It won't go into Windows. |
| (PS47D) |
[344] Erm ... |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47J) |
[345] [reading] What's that [...] a gun. [346] No [] |
| (PS47K) |
[347] Hugh. |
| (PS47J) |
[348] [reading] That's a rocket calling out to the crew of the lifeboat, but it's a lovely day. [349] There's no wind and a boat can not be in danger. [350] I know, but that they are [] |
| (PS47K) |
[351] There are. |
| (PS47J) |
[352] [reading] there are ships [] |
| (PS47K) |
[353] Sharp. |
| (PS47J) |
[354] [reading] sharp rocks just under the water and a [...] [] |
| (PS47K) |
[355] S |
| (PS47J) |
[356] [reading] sailing boat might have been cor [] |
| (PS47K) |
[357] Car |
| (PS47J) |
[358] [reading] carried on by the tre [] |
| (PS47K) |
[359] Ti |
| (PS47J) |
[360] [reading] tide [] |
| (PS47K) |
[361] That's it. |
| (PS47J) |
[362] [reading] My dad, my dad's on the lifeboat. [363] Let's go down and watch it go out. [] |
| (PS47K) |
[364] Well done. |
| (PS47L) |
[365] [reading] The two boys raced down the harbour, when [] |
| (PS47K) |
[366] Where. |
| (PS47L) |
[367] [reading] where the crew were [] |
| (PS47K) |
[368] Gathering. |
| (PS47L) |
[369] [reading] gathering. [370] There's my dad. [371] Hello, boys, a fishing boat has br [] |
| (PS47K) |
[372] Broken. |
| (PS47L) |
[373] [reading] broken down and we're going out to tow [] |
| (PS47K) |
[374] Well done. |
| (PS47L) |
[375] [reading] them in. [376] When [] |
| (PS47K) |
[377] Wan |
| (PS47L) |
[378] [reading] Want to come for the run. [379] There |
| (PS47K) |
[380] There's |
| (PS47L) |
[381] [reading] There's room and it won't be dangerous. [] |
| (PS47K) |
[382] Well done. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[383] Are you with me? |
| (PS47L) |
[384] [reading] Yes please. [] |
| (PS47K) |
[385] [whispering] Come on. [] |
| (PS47L) |
[386] [reading] Su [] |
| (PS47K) |
[387] Super. |
| (PS47L) |
[388] [reading] Super. [389] Once they were cl [] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[390] Sorry [...] |
| (PS47K) |
[391] Clear. |
| (PS47L) |
[392] [reading] Clear of the harbour, Ron's farver took them to see the [] |
| (PS47K) |
[393] Eng |
| (PS47L) |
[394] [reading] Engines. [] |
| (PS47K) |
[395] Well done. |
| (PS47L) |
[396] [reading] Twin [] |
| (PS47K) |
[397] Yes. |
| (PS47L) |
[398] [reading] Dis [] |
| (PS47K) |
[399] Diesels, twin diesels. |
| (PS47L) |
[400] [reading] Diesels. [401] They are [] |
| (PS47K) |
[402] Sealed. |
| (PS47L) |
[403] [reading] sealed so that they can work even if follo |
| (PS47K) |
[404] Flo |
| (PS47L) |
[405] Flooded. |
| (PS47K) |
[406] if flooded, that's it. |
| (PS47L) |
[407] [reading] with water. [408] There even [] |
| (PS47K) |
[409] There, there's enough |
| (PS47L) |
[410] [reading] Enough power to keep the boat going, as fas ... [] |
| (PS47K) |
[411] At |
| (PS47L) |
[412] [reading] As full [] |
| (PS47K) |
[413] At |
| (PS47L) |
[414] [reading] At full speed even in the s [] |
| (PS47K) |
[415] Stro |
| (PS47L) |
[416] [reading] strongest gale [] |
| (PS47K) |
[417] Well done. |
| (PS47L) |
[418] They |
| (PS47K) |
[419] The. |
| (PS47L) |
[420] [reading] Then they say, saw the [] |
| (PS47K) |
[421] Search. |
| (PS47L) |
[422] [reading] Search lights [] |
| (PS47K) |
[423] Search lights |
| (PS47L) |
[424] [reading] At the loud [] |
| (PS47K) |
[425] Loud. |
| (PS47L) |
[426] [reading] Loud hil [] |
| (PS47K) |
[427] Hailer. |
| (PS47L) |
[428] [reading] Hailer and the V H F radio, with which the crew can keep in touch with airc aircr [] |
| (PS47K) |
[429] Aircraft. |
| (PS47L) |
[430] [reading] Aircraft and helicopter [] |
| (PS47K) |
[431] Well done. |
| (PS47L) |
[432] [reading] Half an hour later, Ron pop [] |
| (PS47K) |
[433] Po po point. |
| (PS47L) |
[434] [reading] Pointed to a boat dead a [] |
| (PS47K) |
[435] That's it dead ahead. |
| (PS47L) |
[436] [reading] Dead ahead. [437] It was the o [] |
| (PS47K) |
[438] Oak leaf |
| (PS47L) |
[439] Oak leaf It was the Oak Leaf |
| (PS47L) |
[440] [reading] A loc [] |
| (PS47K) |
[441] Local. |
| (PS47L) |
[442] [reading] Local fishing boat which the lifeboat had came out to helped him [] |
| (PS47K) |
[443] Don't forget the full stop. |
| (PS47L) |
[444] [reading] Ten minutes later there were close even [] |
| (PS47K) |
[445] Enough. |
| (PS47L) |
[446] [reading] Enough to use the rocket pi [] |
| (PS47K) |
[447] Pi.. pi.. pistol |
| (PS47L) |
[448] Pistol |
| (PS47K) |
[449] That's it. |
| (PS47L) |
[450] [reading] it's that [] |
| (PS47K) |
[451] Threw. |
| (PS47L) |
[452] [reading] Threw a line across to see the fishing [] |
| (PS47K) |
[453] Across to the fishing |
| (PS47L) |
[454] [reading] Fishing boat and the fisherman was there [] |
| (PS47K) |
[455] Were then |
| (PS47L) |
[456] [reading] Were then at [] |
| (PS47K) |
[457] Able. |
| (PS47L) |
[458] [reading] Able to put a [] |
| (PS47K) |
[459] Pull |
| (PS47L) |
[460] [reading] a har [] |
| (PS47K) |
[461] Heavy. |
| (PS47L) |
[462] [reading] Heavy turn [] |
| (PS47K) |
[463] tow. |
| (PS47L) |
[464] [reading] Tow rope on boat. [] |
| (PS47K) |
[465] Board . |
| (PS47L) |
[466] Board . |
| (PS47K) |
[467] They were able to pull a heavy tow rope on board. |
| (PS47L) |
[468] [reading] Only it [] |
| (PS47K) |
[469] Once. |
| (PS47L) |
[470] [reading] Once it had been tri [] |
| (PS47K) |
[471] Tied. |
| (PS47L) |
[472] [reading] Tied strong [] |
| (PS47K) |
[473] Well it could be, but it's securely. |
| (PS47L) |
[474] [reading] Securely. [] |
| (PS47K) |
[475] Once it had been tied securely. |
| (PS47L) |
[476] [reading] The captain of the fishing boat waved his hand and the [] |
| (PS47K) |
[477] Powerful. |
| (PS47L) |
[478] [reading] Powerful engine of the lifeboat [] |
| (PS47K) |
[479] R roared. |
| (PS47L) |
[480] [reading] Roared into life. [481] It was just in time too as both boats were drifting slowly to [] |
| (PS47K) |
[482] Towards. |
| (PS47L) |
[483] [reading] Towards some sharp rocks [] |
| (PS47K) |
[484] Funny how you go through a line like that beautifully, isn't it. [485] You know, really well. |
| (PS47L) |
[486] [reading] Wish [] |
| (PS47K) |
[487] While. |
| (PS47L) |
[488] [reading] While this was going on, Ron and Her [] |
| (PS47K) |
[489] Hugh. |
| (PS47L) |
[490] [reading] Hugh were call [] |
| (PS47K) |
[491] Care ful |
| (PS47L) |
[492] [reading] Careful to stay out of the way. [493] On the run back to the harbour, Ron's dad asked, did you enjoy that, boys [] |
| (PS47K) |
[494] Well read. |
| (PS47L) |
[495] [reading] Yes, can we join the crew of the lifeboat when we grow up [] |
| (PS47K) |
[496] Well done, so you haven't done that card before? |
| (PS47L) |
[497] No. |
| (PS47K) |
[498] I drew up the list, you've got it written in there. [499] So we'll do the questions now. [500] Go through them ... |
| (PS47L) |
[501] Question one. |
| (PS47K) |
[502] Question one. [503] The noise Hugh heard was a |
| (PS47L) |
[504] Rocket, gun, backfire, rocket. |
| (PS47K) |
[505] So the answer to A, is one A. |
| (PS47L) |
[506] Rocket. |
| (PS47K) |
[507] Rocket. [508] You keep that writing up like you done that [...] it'll look lovely on that page. |
| (PS47L) |
[509] R O C K E T |
| (PS47K) |
[510] K E T. Right, that's good. [511] [reading] To get to the harbour the boys A |
| (PS47L) |
[512] Raced, cycled,sa |
| (PS47K) |
[513] Sailed. |
| (PS47L) |
[514] A. They raced. |
| (PS47K) |
[515] Yes, they raced, because you can remember that from what it says here. [516] Good. [517] Number 3. [518] [reading] The lifeboats' engines are sealed [] |
| (PS47L) |
[519] [sniff] To get more power |
| (PS47K) |
[520] To give more power |
| (PS47L) |
[521] [reading] So they work if flooded. [522] So they used less fu [] |
| (PS47K) |
[523] Fuel. |
| (PS47L) |
[524] [reading] Fuel. [525] I fink it's so they worked if flooded [] |
| (PS47K) |
[526] You're dead right. [527] B. It's good, you see, that you're remembering what you've read. [528] It's all very well to read through something, but the main part about it is to remember what you've read. |
| (PS47L) |
[529] if flooded F L O O D [sniff] E D |
| (PS47K) |
[530] Flooded, that's right. |
| (PS47L) |
[531] Question four |
| (PS47K) |
[532] Four . [533] [reading] In bad weather the lifeboat [] |
| (PS47L) |
[534] Has to stop, can only go slowly can go as |
| (PS47K) |
[535] At. |
| (PS47L) |
[536] [reading] At full speed. [537] I think it's C. |
| (PS47K) |
[538] You're dead right. |
| (PS47L) |
[539] Can go [sniff] at full speed. [540] S P E E D |
| (PS47K) |
[541] That's right. [542] Number five. [543] [reading] A line was thrown by [] |
| (PS47L) |
[544] A catapult, a fisherman, a rocket per |
| (PS47K) |
[545] Pi ... pi. |
| (PS47L) |
[546] Pistol. [547] I fink it's C. Rocket pistol. |
| (PS47K) |
[548] So do I. [549] I don't think they had a catapult out there. |
| (PS47L) |
[550] A rocket ... |
| (PS47K) |
[551] Pistol. [552] That's right, now you've only got one. [553] Let's see if you can get the hundred per cent. [554] [reading] At the end of the trip, the boys [] |
| (PS47L) |
[555] [reading] Wanted to go home, felt sick, wanted to join the crew [] C wanted to join the crew. |
| (PS47K) |
[556] That's it. [557] Hundred per cent. [558] Wanted |
| (PS47L) |
[559] to |
| (PS47K) |
[560] To join the crew. [561] And that is very neatly done. [562] Now [clears throat] we'll see if we can find out these words, and then we'll write them in, write the answers in. [563] So it'll start off with one, but you remember, we do it across the page. [564] That's it. [565] So you just start off with number one. [566] And we are trying to find a word which means men, we're finding the word in the story, which means men who sail in boats |
| (PS47L) |
[567] It's number three. |
| (PS47K) |
[568] Yes. [569] Thank you. [570] Men who sail in boats in number three. |
| (PS47L) |
[571] [reading] No Hu [] |
| (PS47K) |
[572] Hugh |
| (PS47L) |
[573] [reading] Hugh . [574] That's a rocket calling out the crew, crew [] |
| (PS47K) |
[575] That's the word. [576] Crew. [577] [spelling] C R E W [] That's one, now number two is another word for pushed. [578] Pushed, in number five, in chapter, and that's in paragraph five. |
| (PS47L) |
[579] [reading] I know, but there are sharp rocks just under the water and a sa [] |
| (PS47K) |
[580] Sailing. |
| (PS47L) |
[581] [reading] Sailing boat [] |
| (PS47K) |
[582] Might. |
| (PS47L) |
[583] [reading] Might have been [] |
| (PS47K) |
[584] Carried. |
| (PS47L) |
[585] [reading] Carried [] Is that it? |
| (PS47K) |
[586] It is. [587] You're right, it's another word for pushed, you see, in this story. [588] It could, because you could put and a sailing boat might have been pushed on by the tide. [589] But it, was, it's more correct to say carried on, but that's another meaning okay? [590] Number three ran quickly. [591] Well we know what that is. [592] Don't we. [593] Because I think we've already said, we've already put it in two A. |
| (PS47L) |
[594] Raced. |
| (PS47K) |
[595] Yes, they raced. [596] Two boys raced. [597] So you got the same answer for two questions. [598] Four. [599] Coming together. [600] They're coming together. [601] That's also in six, oh well then so the two boys raced down the harbour |
| (PS47L) |
[602] With the |
| (PS47K) |
[603] Where the |
| (PS47L) |
[604] [reading] Where the crew were gath [] |
| (PS47K) |
[605] Gathering. |
| (PS47L) |
[606] [reading] Gathering [] |
| (PS47K) |
[607] That's it. [608] So they're coming together. [609] The word is gathering. [610] Can you get it in there. |
| (PS47L) |
[611] G . |
| (PS47K) |
[612] [spelling] G A T H E R I N G [] |
| (PS47L) |
[613] Yep. |
| (PS47K) |
[614] Just. [615] That's it. [616] Gathering. [617] That's good. [618] [reading] Filled with water [] Another word to cover the words filled with water. [619] And you've got to come down to eleven for that. |
| (PS47L) |
[620] [reading] Only [] |
| (PS47K) |
[621] We'll read it from here. |
| (PS47L) |
[622] [reading] They are certain [] |
| (PS47K) |
[623] [reading] Sealed [] |
| (PS47L) |
[624] [reading] Sealed so that they can work even if flooded [] |
| (PS47K) |
[625] Well done. [626] As soon as you get to the word, you know it. |
| (PS47L) |
[627] [spelling] F L O O D E D [] |
| (PS47K) |
[628] And you know how to spell it. |
| (PS47L) |
[629] cos it's there |
| (PS47K) |
[630] Oh, that's all right. [631] Doesn't matter, doesn't matter. [632] Six [reading] very powerful torches [] okay, if you'd been in the war, you know what the answer to that was. [633] Very powerful torches in eleven. [634] Erm, start there. |
| (PS47L) |
[635] [reading] They.. then [] |
| (PS47K) |
[636] Then. |
| (PS47L) |
[637] [reading] They saw the sec [] |
| (PS47K) |
[638] What's that. |
| (PS47L) |
[639] [reading] Oh,sear [] |
| (PS47K) |
[640] Search. |
| (PS47L) |
[641] [reading] Search lights [] |
| (PS47K) |
[642] That's a very powerful torch, isn't it. |
| (PS47L) |
[643] S |
| (PS47K) |
[644] That's a long word ... [spelling] C H L I G H T S [] That's it, well done. [645] Erm that's powerful torches, seven [reading] showed with a finger [] . [646] I think I know what that is and that's in twelve. [647] Showed with a finger erm ... Showed with a finger ... oh, crumbs, [...] oh yes, look it's in the first line. |
| (PS47L) |
[648] [reading] Half an hour later, Ron prom [] |
| (PS47K) |
[649] Poin |
| (PS47L) |
[650] [reading] pointed [] |
| (PS47K) |
[651] With a finger. [652] Pointed. |
| (PS47L) |
[653] [spelling] P O [] ... [spelling] I N T E D [] Pointed. [654] Number eight, tightly. [655] Another word for tightly and that's also in twelve. [656] Erm I think you can start reading here. |
| (PS47L) |
[657] [...] writing [...] Erm ... |
| (PS47K) |
[658] Once |
| (PS47L) |
[659] [reading] Once it had been tied [] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[660] That's fine, we'll do, we'll do, Paul Paul listen, don't be distracted. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[661] We'll do the functions of building afterwards, okay. [662] At the moment we're doing what buildings are made of. [663] Right. [664] Stone, brick, mud, what else could they use? [665] I've got a classic one, why did London burn down in 1600s, because all the houses were made of? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[666] Look, look, you're [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[667] No, I'm not, I'm helping you understand |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[668] I'm on about [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[669] Listen listen to me. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[670] You can't talk about present day, right. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[671] I'm not on about that, I'm not on about that [...] . |
| (PS47M) |
[672] Until you understand |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[673] I'm not on about houses I'm on about main buildings like St Paul's an' all that |
| (PS47M) |
[674] Yeah, but the old churches were made of wood and stone it's important to think about that |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[675] Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| (PS47M) |
[676] You know what I mean |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[677] Yeah, yeah, yeah |
| (PS47M) |
[678] A lot of the buildings in London are hundreds and hundreds of years old. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[679] Yeah, yeah, yeah [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[680] We'll do types of [...] in a minute so wood, mud, brick stone, anything else, marble [...] erm wood, mud, brick, stone |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[681] copper |
| (PS47M) |
[682] no they didn't build metal houses did they? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[683] yeah but that's roofs that's not a structure is it. [684] I know structures, [...] will you write bridges too |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[685] [...] bridges |
| (PS47M) |
[686] iron, iron bridges, I reckon that's a good start. [687] Okay now this is materials, modern materials, okay, right tell me some of the things they make buildings out of now really big |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[688] glass |
| (PS47M) |
[689] Yeah, good one Paul glass what else, what else they make them out of |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[690] Metal |
| (PS47M) |
[691] Metals. [692] Erm reinforced concrete big one for the sixties. [693] Reinforced concrete. [694] What about prefabs, what are they made of? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[695] Prefabs? [696] Fibreglass? |
| (PS47M) |
[697] [...] board. [698] [...] erm what else did they make them out metals, glass, reinforced concrete [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[699] I mean like office blocks like that over there all that that crap |
| (PS47M) |
[700] They still use brick don't they? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[701] Yeah, they still use bricks. [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[702] Cos that whole building is like looks like metal and er glass though doesn't it? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[703] Yeah. |
| (PS47M) |
[704] I think glass, metal, reinforced concrete, fibre glass, brick are about it, can't think what else they make a building out of these days |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[705] So we've done our materials, let's do our ... what sort of buildings did they make. [706] What, what were the buildings. [707] What are we talking about. [708] We are talking about houses. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[709] [...] buildings. |
| (PS47M) |
[710] okay, we're talking about institutions and what comes under institutions? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[711] apartments |
| (PS47M) |
[712] [...] institutions, schools anything paid for by the government, government buildings like you said, like town halls, libraries, theatres |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[713] yeah |
| (PS47M) |
[714] What is a really important part of London architecture? [715] What is there on every corner? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[716] No, building on every corner, which you can go in and have a jar? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[717] Public houses. |
| (PS47M) |
[718] Pubs are a really important. [719] I did a seminar on pub architecture. [720] Excellent, do you know what my research was? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[721] No. |
| (PS47M) |
[722] I had to go to lots of pubs, |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[723] Oh great. |
| (PS47M) |
[724] Pubs really good one for London. [725] Erm what else? [726] Schools, government buildings, libraries, theatres, pubs, houses, what else did they build? [727] Oh I know churches, what else? [728] What other old important buildings can you think of in London. [729] I can think of a really good one, Buckingham |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[730] Mm. [731] monarchy buildings |
| (PS47M) |
[732] what about so yeah royal buildings or palaces. [733] Palaces, what's another big palace, one of the oldest buildings in London just off Tower Bridge, it's called the |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[734] Tower of London. |
| (PS47M) |
[735] That's right, the Tower of London is a palace, the king used to live there. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[736] Palaces. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[737] What else? [738] Right, let's do some modern buildings. [739] What do they build these days? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[740] Let's put uses and give me some different ones. [741] When they build these days, they build one really obvious one which Canary Wharf is |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[742] office |
| (PS47M) |
[743] Office block. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[744] They build office blocks. [745] What else do they build Paul, prisons. [746] I've thought of a really good one, factories. [747] Those old weird factories, with metal windows and not much light. [748] Wharves, wharves for storing grain on the river, wharves. [749] What are wharves these days turned into. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[750] apartments |
| (PS47M) |
[751] Luxury flats. [752] So that's a good one |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [laugh] |
| (PS47M) |
[753] Put wharf here. [754] Put wharves and put erm what was the other one I said? [755] Factories. [756] And then you can put over here office blocks, flats, they didn't have flats pre sixties not till [...] thought of it. [757] That's really important write down |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[758] What |
| (PS47M) |
[759] This guy, this guy right, this French guy okay in the twenties and the thirties yeah okay this guy and he invented the idea okay |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[760] of towers. |
| (PS47M) |
[761] He invented the idea of communal living like flats okay and everyone was supposed to be the same. [762] It was like communism everyone was supposed to be the same, everyone would have the same house, with the same shed, everyone would have the same stuff in their house, all their doors would be colour co-ordinated and that's what flats were, the original idea of flats were like co-ordinated living okay. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[763] This is great, this is tremendous |
| (PS47M) |
[764] But it doesn't work like that does it, cos what happens in flats. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[765] People change all their things. |
| (PS47M) |
[766] Exactly, people stick on big oak doors don't they. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[767] People cook fish |
| (PS47M) |
[768] People cook fish and irritate each other because they live too |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[769] Close and it is unnatural for people to live too close. |
| (PS47M) |
[770] Ah ha, but in the old days they used to have |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[771] [laughing] balconies [] |
| (PS47M) |
[772] In the old days they used to have little houses close together called begins with T |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[773] tensions |
| (PS47M) |
[774] Tenements |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[775] Tenements |
| (PS47M) |
[776] Which are like your back to back. [777] My grandmother, right, had a back to back ... No listen, this is funny, she lived in a tenement in er which isn't there anymore actually just up by the river, up by the Angel, and there was nine people living there in two rooms and they had a lodger and the lodger, so they did have |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[778] My grandad used to live in Char Charles Dickens's house. |
| (PS47M) |
[779] Did he? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[780] Yeah not there anymore. [781] He had fourteen, his grandmother there was seventeen of them. |
| (PS47M) |
[782] My God, well, I've got to at like, quarter to. [783] Right we've got half an hour so right what else do they build which they never used to build.. [784] We build office blocks, we build flats, we build |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[785] They re re re thingy re-furbish |
| (PS47M) |
[786] They renovate. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[787] Renovate. |
| (PS47M) |
[788] That's good refurbishment, renovate, good lad, renovation |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[789] Of old [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[790] Yes, this is a very key key point. [791] Okay so they base, we're talking about style now |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[792] Oh yeah [...] wait, wait, wait a minute, let's put this [...] . |
| (PS47M) |
[793] Well, put these ideas over . [794] Let's do this. [795] I'll remember that idea for you. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[796] Office blocks, flats, they renovate places, what else do they do, what do we build. [797] What's this school is it new? [798] They build colleges and universities, educational buildings and many more. [799] What do we have that we didn't used to have? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[800] Supermarkets no, no. |
| (PS47M) |
[801] Yes, no, that's important. [802] Supermarkets, like shopping malls. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[803] Oh yeah. |
| (PS47M) |
[804] Arcades, what are they called? [805] Shopping centres. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[806] Shopping centres, we're doing it together that's good. [807] Office blocks, shopping centres, universities, new flats, renovated flats, office blocks, office blocks, they don't really build churches much anymore cos they don't need them, erm what else do they build? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[808] hostels for the young |
| (PS47M) |
[809] Yeah, hostels, hostels as opposed to hotels. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[810] Oh, yeah. [811] Hotels. |
| (PS47M) |
[812] Youth hostels. [813] you see the thing is Paul what you I could help you do is there are several modern buildings round here which we could investigate. [814] There is the youth hostel and I know who built that cos he's a friend of mine. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[815] Oh, so he just like built [...] did he? |
| (PS47M) |
[816] No, built that and I know the guy [...] so I could get to the plans. [817] They were but it's the recession and no-one's building at the moment. |
| (PS47M) |
[818] Erm right what you were talking about, just leave that. [819] We've got a basis for our knowledge haven't we. [820] We realize that, right, now how is style okay what a building looks like related to |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[821] They're based on fings aren't they? |
| (PS47M) |
[822] How is style related to use cos the thing is it is really glib I think to say modern architecture's crap. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[823] I should go to the design museum. |
| (PS47M) |
[824] Ancient architecture's beautiful, you should. [825] Design museum doesn't have a lot on architecture though. [826] So style what you were talking about when they base ideas, just concentrate on what you are doing cos you're doing some good work you know when they base ideas on the past, that is looking back, yeah, like see this word retro, going back, right. [827] So retrospective, when you are a spectator, what are you doing? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[828] Looking. |
| (PS47M) |
[829] Right, so spective is looking, retro is back, so retrospective so there's some styles, some modern art is retrospective. [830] okay, it looks back. [831] That's one new word for you. [832] Think of a piece of modern architecture that, I think, personally, is all retrospective, I think everything built on the achievement of the past yeah ... I don't know, what is the actual question? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[833] What is the actual question she gave you? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[834] It ain't a question, it's my own study. |
| (PS47M) |
[835] Your own study, and how are making this media studies how is architecture media studies? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[836] Argument. [837] It's just s'posed to be an argument but this will lead to up, like an argument of like them kind of buildings, are not like buildings, like tradition, to keep with the tradition. |
| (PS47M) |
[838] So you wanna look at Prince Charles' book don't you. [839] Prince Charles' book, you wanna think about this guy Le Corbusier |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[840] I'll have to go to the library for that. |
| (PS47M) |
[841] Think about this guy, I might have stuff on him, about flats and what they are for. [842] What are they for? [843] Erm ... Shh ... Hang on. [844] Think about this idea this word building okay. [845] Cos you've got a building and then you've got the idea of building on past knowledge and experience. [846] There's a good, there's good language games you can play with that, because modern architecture builds in a way on the architecture of the past, cos that Canary Wharf ... is actually, what's on top of it? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[847] A pyramid. |
| (PS47M) |
[848] and when were the pyramids built? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[849] I dunno last week weren't it? |
| (PS47M) |
[850] In Egypt, do you see what I mean, so that you can have and put that down as an example, so you can have. [851] You've got a pyramid on top of Canary Wharf, so that is classical reference |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[852] Yeah, [cough] , I know, I know what you mean |
| (PS47M) |
[853] So if you can think about it like laterally but we gonna have to work out an argument |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[854] What we wanna do is think of some buildings and describe them to ourselves and then work out what style, cos the thing is since the 1960s, styles like we want, like a progression of styles till the 1990s and see what's changed and what's stayed. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[855] Last lesson. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[856] Oh. |
| (PS47M) |
[857] Where, where, what have you got last lesson? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[858] technology |
| (PS47M) |
[859] Tomorrow. [860] What have you got tomorrow? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[861] What have you got first lesson. [862] Mrs , [...] , Miss English [...] what about, next lesson, second lesson |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[863] Yeah, it's all , don't worry about it. |
| (PS47M) |
[864] No what have you got? [865] No, but what have you got? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[866] Nothing important. |
| (PS47M) |
[867] No, but I just want you to tell me. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[868] Science. |
| (PS47M) |
[869] With whom |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[870] I don't know |
| (PS47M) |
[871] When are you supposed to come up here again? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[872] Tuesday next. |
| (PS47M) |
[873] Only once a week? |
| (PS47M) |
[874] Do you want me to sort out some stuff. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[875] Er |
| (PS47M) |
[876] I mean material that we can use. [877] Right this guy's really important and that'll be helpful, Prince Charles book. [878] Right, we wanna think about style, how it's changed since the sixties. [879] When you think of sixties architecture what do you think of? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[880] Ugly blocks of concrete. |
| (PS47M) |
[881] Ugly blocks of concrete, okay. [882] e.g. okay and whenever you describe this style you wanna think about right, take ugly blocks of concrete, okay ugly blocks of concrete, right, what is it and why do you think it looks like that? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[883] And what's it made of. [884] Right, so what is it, it's flat |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[885] old-fashioned it's not modern |
| (PS47M) |
[886] Ah, but it is in your context, you defined modern. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[887] So, why it's quick to build, space saving, what else is it, what is concrete that marble isn't? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[888] Attractive |
| (PS47M) |
[889] No concrete, what is concrete? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[890] Oh, it's erm stone. [891] I mean erm money money [...] . |
| (PS47M) |
[892] In comparison, how much does a block of concrete cost to a block of marble. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[893] Buy much concrete to a block of marble |
| (PS47M) |
[894] Exactly, so what is it, Paul, it is |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[895] Cost [...] . |
| (PS47M) |
[896] Cost |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[897] Cost ec |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[898] Economically. |
| (PS47M) |
[899] Economical. [900] So it', I'm looking for a really simple word. [901] It's ch ,ch |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] [laugh] |
| (PS47M) |
[902] Cost consuming. [903] Cost effective, economical cheap do it the simple way, so it's cheap and we've got what it's made of concrete. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [laugh] |
| (PS47M) |
[904] So it's cheap, space saving |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[905] Quick. |
| (PS47M) |
[906] Quick. [907] And that's it basically, so you've explained why ugly blocks of flats in the sixties and you even know cos why post-war reconstruction of London. [908] So the important thing about this [...] is that you cannot, you cannot just say modern equals bad, and trad is good because you must in order to argue Paul examine the |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[909] situation |
| (PS47M) |
[910] yes, situation or more complicated word for situation the |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[911] modern arch context |
| (PS47M) |
[912] you must examine the context because the situation relies on the |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[913] this is more art, it's like art. |
| (PS47M) |
[914] No, you must [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[915] They like , they treat it as like pieces of art. |
| (PS47M) |
[916] But you ca but people do. [917] The thing is, the trouble with that is when you try and understand or argue about something like that you can't treat it as a work of art cos it isn't it's a functioning building |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[918] I'll have to change, I'll have to change my thingy |
| (PS47M) |
[919] You've got to think about why is it there what is it made of. [920] What does it look like, can you explain, where does it come in history, and post-war, pre-war, think about the context, it's really really really really really really really vital |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[921] Does this help you in some way? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[922] Yeah of course it does |
| (PS47M) |
[923] Right what about if we |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[924] wrote this instead of I don't think you work well from [...] diagrams they keep confusing. [925] Write it in a list |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[926] Things what I have to set out and like er put bits in |
| (PS47M) |
[927] Only do a yeah, only do one little bit at a time |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[928] [...] You put big heading Paul, what did we do first, what did we talk about first? [929] How weird. [930] What did we talk about first Paul? [931] Listen, what did we talk about first? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[932] Erm |
| (PS47M) |
[933] What was the first thing we did? [934] What was the first thing we did? [935] We wrote traditional and then we wrote modern and then what did we do, what did we decide for those two categories? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[936] I can't remember, serious |
| (PS47M) |
[937] What did we decide, we gave them a, what was the important thing, we gave them a |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[938] Erm |
| (PS47M) |
[939] Was the important thing we them a |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[940] Erm, I don't know |
| (PS47M) |
[941] Look if I write that does that help? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[942] Oh yeah |
| (PS47M) |
[943] So we gave them a |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[944] when, why, what situation |
| (PS47M) |
[945] So what did we do first? [946] The |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[947] The time line |
| (PS47M) |
[948] The time we're looking at, so we decided traditional was from civilization to World War Two and we decided that World War Two to ninety four was modern okay. [949] Now you can define modern in lots of ways but that will do for our purpose. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [raspberry] |
| (PS47M) |
[950] Right then we decided that we look at materials and what. [951] So under the heading of what first thing we looked at was materials. [952] Okay now I want you to make a list there for traditional of all the materials we put around there, so make that list there okay [...] and make it easier to look at. [953] Make a list of these words that are around materials |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[954] Right, oh then I do |
| (PS47M) |
[955] and then you can do uses or types of building and you can make a list of all those things as well so types |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[956] [...] in your old college |
| (PS47M) |
[957] now concentrate, what? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[958] fire, I saw loads of people running down |
| (PS47M) |
[959] Where? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[960] When? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[961] the other day [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[962] you're losing your concentration, it's very interesting but materials list there, types of building list there and I'm going to the loo and I'll come back. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[963] is that why you work so quick? |
| (PS47M) |
[964] No, cos it's quick if I have to keep your attention |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47M) |
[965] No you're doing that first, you're doing it now, do that and go and see her afterwards |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[966] see what they do is they start you off and then they give you now what action do get from these words. [967] Look at the words they're actually putting in, passion, loving, potions, you see what I mean |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[968] why should they put in those sub-headings you [...] what's the point of putting passion, what's the point of your sub-heading loving and potion. [969] It is really isn't it? [970] To grab your attention to keep your interest you've got another [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [sneeze] |
| (PS47D) |
[971] and you gonna keep on reading. [972] So what you need to do is rather than have a big block of writing okay which is going to look not really in the format of this kind of newspaper is it? [...] what you tend to get in the tabloids is loads of these little ones. [973] See. [974] Having said that of course quite a lot of the stories in the tabloids are actually quite small. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[975] what you need to think about [...] and you're gonna keep your readers' interest engaged, keep on want to keep reading, your pictures are gonna do that to a certain extent but that's what your sub-headings goes over, so think about, pick out, read through your main story, pick out your main ideas and see if you can slot in one of those emotive words that's passion, that's stirring people's emotions [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[976] The new college which cost eighteen million to build was destroyed [...] there was a death toll, what about a final death toll was, it's a bit more than there was a, it's a bit boring, see what I'm saying? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[977] yeah |
| (PS47D) |
[978] final you've gotta be a bit more dramatic, you've gotta think of the words that are dramatic words, final death toll amounted to twenty twenty dead, forty three injured. [979] Towering inferno at Bacon's |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[980] I'm still trying to get the headline |
| (PS47D) |
[981] You gotta, you gotta try and think what your headline will be |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[982] right |
| (PS47D) |
[983] no ideas, not yet |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[984] not yet |
| (PS47D) |
[985] well well keep working on that what about erm the length of this piece |
| Berkam (PS47E) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[986] I'm looking for, on A three aren't I |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[987] tends to be a little bit on the first page then it goes onto pages like two, three, [...] all different pages with small sections |
| (PS47D) |
[988] yeah |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[989] yeah, right will go from that to that |
| (PS47D) |
[990] so all that writing is actually surrounding your picture isn't it, you've come up with your sensational picture and then you surround your sensational picture with your writing, [...] I was saying to him with these little sub-headings like trapped, right, cost, holiday, okay which actually keep your reader hooked and make them want to read on. [991] So again you've got to come up with your main heading what kinds of words do you think you've got to have in your main heading? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[992] basic words to do with the subject |
| (PS47D) |
[993] yeah more than that, what have they got to be these words they gotta be words which really what, which really make you feel what? |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[994] as thought you want to hear them |
| (PS47D) |
[995] and |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[996] appeal to a |
| (PS47D) |
[997] we're dealing with a horrendous fire here, we gotta have, shocking, don't you think some quite shocking words some quite horrifying words, if you want to grab people's attention |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[998] yeah |
| (PS47D) |
[999] so think about that, what the tabloids do okay, think about your sub-headings and think about your main headings |
| Berkam (PS47E) |
[1000] yeah |
| (PS47D) |
[1001] okay, and the vocabulary you're gonna use but to start off with terrified that's that's really good. [1002] Right Sam what are you up to? [...] is that not yours? [1003] Alright, you not got far on this |
| (PS47F) |
[1004] No |
| (PS47D) |
[1005] Shall we go onto, Kelly let's see what's she's been up to |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47G) |
[1006] is there two there? show us the other one |
| (PS47D) |
[1007] I don't know, it's the same one |
| (PS47G) |
[1008] what's the one at the back |
| (PS47D) |
[1009] It's the just these other, okay. [1010] That's good, don't you think, I'm impressed. [1011] I am impressed, I am impressed. [1012] Right Kelly tell me what you've been up to |
| (PS47G) |
[1013] that's just [...] they're the people I'm going to interview okay then you've got example yesterday at approximately nine twenty Bacon's technical college at went up in a barrage of smoke taking one life which is believed to be that of the caretaker who was having a last minute check before leaving the building in the evening. [1014] It was thought the cause of the fire was a student leaving a bunsen burner on at the end of day. [1015] It is while the caretaker was in the science and humanities wing he turned on the light which caused the college to explode. [1016] Mr. the caretaker leaves behind a wife and three children, two of which were twins blah, blah, blah. [1017] Bacon's college which cost around a quarter, around eighteen million to build, has now been open, has only been open since September 1991, and they're just more details which I've gotta add while I'm writing it, that's just the beginning [...] write on the front page |
| (PS47D) |
[1018] I don't know, my my feeling, my instinctive feeling is is that's not tabloidy enough, you know it's not erm horrific enough it's not, it doesn't grab me enough to be a front page of a tabloid. [1019] I mean I haven't seen there what you've got, what do you see as your main heading |
| (PS47G) |
[1020] that's not gonna be the heading right |
| (PS47D) |
[1021] you're not gonna use inferno at Bacon's, you haven't actually thought of the words? [1022] It's really important I think that you turn that into something more horrific and shocking. [1023] At the moment I mean that is quite a boring sort of report |
| (PS47G) |
[1024] It's more of a story than a |
| (PS47D) |
[1025] It is it's more of a little story and it's not a front page shocker which I think is what we said we'd set out to write, a front page shocker okay so I think you've got to think about the kind of words you use. [1026] Now what kind of words do you think should go on a front page if you're dealing |
| (PS47G) |
[1027] I dunno , but the sentences have gotta be shorter, |
| (PS47D) |
[1028] Yes you're right, they have |
| (PS47G) |
[1029] It's gotta be er more, like more snappy more to grab ya, ain't it really |
| (PS47D) |
[1030] and what's gonna grab you |
| (PS47G) |
[1031] I dunno yet [laugh] |
| (PS47D) |
[1032] think about it |
| (PS47G) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1033] how are you gonna grab me? what kind of words are you gonna use to grab me |
| (PS47G) |
[1034] [...] er |
| (PS47D) |
[1035] bodies, victims, flames what do those words do to me as I'm reading |
| (PS47G) |
[1036] I think I might, I dunno I've gotta think of ways to change it so there's more than one line taken |
| (PS47D) |
[1037] [laugh] You're gonna make the actual statistics worse okay yeah you can do that [laugh] but it's the vocabulary that's not strong enough |
| (PS47G) |
[1038] yes |
| (PS47D) |
[1039] isn't it |
| (PS47G) |
[1040] yes it's more it's just going through the motions of a story at the moment rather than |
| (PS47D) |
[1041] you're, you've got quite a good backbone there but you haven't got anything that really grabs my emotions. [1042] You haven't shocked me, you haven't horrified me, you haven't made me want to cry yet |
| (PS47G) |
[1043] I'm gonna talk about the son here |
| (PS47D) |
[1044] [laugh] If we're dealing with a front page horror story that's exactly what your journalist is gonna have to do otherwise his editor says it's not good enough you know go away, rewrite it and you got shock 'em you gotta make 'em cry and you're not, not yet [laugh] |
| (PS47G) |
[1045] It's back to the drawing board |
| (PS47D) |
[1046] back to the drawing board you've got a backbone but you've not got anywhere near a shocking front page. [1047] Vicki? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1048] Some what's your time line do you think? [1049] When have you got to finish it by? [1050] Half term |
| David (PS47H) |
[1051] Half term |
| (PS47D) |
[1052] so what's your subject? |
| David (PS47H) |
[1053] school on fire |
| (PS47D) |
[1054] this college on fire, eighteen million goes up in flames [...] mind you that's a boring headline really. |
| David (PS47H) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1055] right so in your thinking, what sort of things are you gonna put in that story? [1056] What is your reader gonna want to know about? |
| David (PS47H) |
[1057] how it started |
| (PS47D) |
[1058] right how it started, what else? |
| David (PS47H) |
[1059] erm, people injured |
| (PS47D) |
[1060] yes |
| David (PS47H) |
[1061] erm, information about the fire |
| (PS47D) |
[1062] how quickly it spread, who was trapped, who was burnt, how many fire engines, all those kind of things that people love to know. [1063] Has anybody got into the who was to blame bit? [laugh] poor old caretaker who is to blame. [1064] Yes, the kind of gruesome details that people want to know when they're reading these kind of stories, okay. [1065] Shock and horror is what sells these kinds of newspapers, unfortunately and they do a roaring trade, think about it, think about the vocabulary you gonna actually use. [1066] Right you two over here what are you up to |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1067] have you got a headline? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1068] Bacon's burning |
| (PS47D) |
[1069] Right look at the Gazette, twenty million college goes up in flames, out of control chemistry experiment wrecks school. [laugh] [1070] Right are you gonna have a picture underneath? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1071] Yeah |
| (PS47D) |
[1072] Is your front page just gonna be all headline and picture, or are you gonna have a bit of story |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1073] Okay so you're gonna have some statistics right, got a picture |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1074] I'll probably make the headline look smaller |
| (PS47D) |
[1075] Can you can you tell me or have you got a pic , where does the picture usually go? does it go right at the top or do you usually have a bit of headline what happened in that Mirror one there? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [cough] |
| (PS47D) |
[1076] The size of it, what's the size of the picture on that one? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1077] Teeny, weeny little ones on that one |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1078] Do you think you actually look at the words first or the picture first? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1079] Words |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1080] Picture |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1081] both, really I think they both hit you at the same time |
| (PS47D) |
[1082] I suppose if it's a colour picture |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1083] Like with that the picture's more distorted so you more read the words. [1084] I think it depends what the picture's really like |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1085] Depends what the story's about |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1086] and how big the picture is |
| (PS47D) |
[1087] how many of you are gonna try and do this in colour? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1088] yeah |
| (PS47D) |
[1089] you can do right okay |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1090] you gonna have to insert your pictures do a cut and paste job on the pictures, okay so what have we got here then? [1091] Bacon's burning oh nice one sizzle sizzle. [1092] Can you, if you use your language cleverly can you play on the bacon as in frying |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1093] grilled |
| (PS47D) |
[1094] that's pretty, yeah grilled that's really gruesome isn't it but you could, I mean really that's the sort of ghastly thing people do isn't it in headlines which you could use it as you've used the actual word Bacon's in your headline you could play on words keep using that idea. [1095] So what other sub-headings have you thought of? [1096] I keep having to remind you lot about your sub- headings. [1097] You're good on your headings but not on your sub- headings yet. [1098] What else could you put on that front page? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1099] city of the terrified, looting as thousands see that was good, looting wasn't that a good word to start with. [1100] What was that word you started with |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1101] terrified |
| (PS47D) |
[1102] terrified, he actually kicked off with the word terrified, this one's actually kicked off with the word looting. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1103] this one's kicks off with the word the |
| (PS47D) |
[1104] the, boring, unimaginative anybody else got a good word to start |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1105] tragic |
| (PS47D) |
[1106] tragic that's a good word to start from [...] it's the first thing they're gonna look at after the headline so it's pretty important that that the first word, I think looting was an excellent choice here. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1107] nightmare |
| (PS47D) |
[1108] nightmare, that would go well yes. [1109] Right, subs, are these the sub-headings here? yes look reports and dramatic new pictures pages two and three. [1110] One man's story of the L A quake page nine. [1111] Tent city springs up, Britons fly home [...] , beware of doing too large of making blocks of writing too large. [1112] Okay that does not fit in with this style of newspaper. [1113] Also have you noticed something else folks, boys, if you look at this how many different sizes of font have you actually got there on that page. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1114] one, two, three, four, five,si |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1115] what the whole story |
| (PS47D) |
[1116] well the whole page look at the differences, look at the variations there |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1117] ten |
| (PS47D) |
[1118] well it could be as many as that I mean sit and count it, but there's a lot of variation, there's a lot to catch your eye, I mean the more things contrast with each other, the more you notice them, isn't that true. [1119] When we looked at the Telegraph and the Times things seem so samey, there's just this uniform effect everything seeming to look the same whereas here they've really used such a variety of styles the curly, the straight, the blocked plus your black blocks across the bottom. [1120] Well you've taken the colour out there obviously in photocopying it but you've also got to be crafty and think of things like that as well. [1121] So bear that in mind, even the beginning of this story look at that first paragraph it's in a darker type it'll make me filthy, a darker and a larger size. [1122] So bear that sort of thing in mind as well. [1123] Girls how far have you got. [1124] This looks good. [1125] It's hot in the kitchen, Bacon's burning, now she's used the same sort of thing, it's hot in the kitchen Bacon's burning, you too could use the play on words for the idea of bacon and burning and cooking and sizzling if you want to be really gruesome. [1126] Make it very clever, she's got her woman on the front page boys. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1127] that's money there |
| (PS47D) |
[1128] what is she covering herself with money. [1129] So we got bingo, we've got the word naked on the front page, she's dead crafty this girl. [1130] Okay what about you? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1131] Let's have a look |
| (PS47D) |
[1132] Fire, fire, Bacon's college ablaze. [1133] Can we just hold up your front, yes come on, come on, evaluation of front headlines now, what have you picked, have you got yours? [1134] Have you thought of yours? [1135] How many of you have actually got your main headlines? what was yours? |
| (PS47J) |
[1136] Goodness gracious great balls of fire |
| (PS47D) |
[1137] goodness gracious great balls of fire, I like it [laugh] girls have you thought of yours |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1138] not yet |
| (PS47D) |
[1139] you've got, what have you two got, go on show |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1140] Bacon's burning |
| (PS47D) |
[1141] twenty million college goes up in flames, Bacon's burning, come evaluation, which do you think the most effective so far repeat, what was it? goodness gracious great balls of fire, fire fire Bacon's college ablaze, it's hot in the kitchen, and yours were |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1142] twenty million college goes up in flames |
| (PS47D) |
[1143] and yours was |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1144] Bacon's burning |
| (PS47D) |
[1145] right, those of you that haven't done one yet which one do you like best? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1146] dunno |
| (PS47D) |
[1147] why? explain |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1148] cos it's a bit sick [laugh] |
| (PS47D) |
[1149] come on what do you both say |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1150] it's cleverer, isn't it? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1151] mm |
| (PS47D) |
[1152] Yes, you give him ten out of ten for effort there. [1153] We like your cleverness [laugh] Has he given it more thought, he's just come up with a really clever idea I think there |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1154] he said that first day, didn't he? |
| (PS47D) |
[1155] he did, he came out with it straight straight away. [1156] Right good words in headlines then, any which words grab here. [1157] You two |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1158] hot |
| (PS47D) |
[1159] hot |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1160] I think, with the kitchen though it kinda makes you think that's the fire's going in the kitchen which it's not |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1161] yeah but I used kitchen cos bacon |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1162] yeah, but that in which case I think you should try and tie the story in with it became in like the canteen |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1163] yeah but |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1164] in the kitchen in the canteen |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1165] it says hot in the kitchen then it's got Bacon's burning. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1166] yeah, but obviously the canteen is part of the college and could've have still burnt down the college. [1167] And with the kitchen in it I think it could tie into the story with it being in the headline. |
| (PS47D) |
[1168] Well you mean so if she, if in her story [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1169] you know, it would make it better cos I got the impression of reading the headline, it meant that you know from the kitchen |
| (PS47D) |
[1170] So if his story now isn't going to be in the kitchen this is a mislay misleading headline. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1171] yeah |
| (PS47D) |
[1172] right what've got here? [1173] Fire, fire, is that, what do you think of that for a start, fire, fire. |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1174] fire, London's burning |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1175] So you gonna really, you're gonna use the quote at the front, that could be good. [1176] It's certainly the word fire is the one that goes with ablaze, is ablaze a good word? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1177] mm |
| (PS47D) |
[1178] do you like that word? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1179] it's different to what everybody else is using |
| (PS47D) |
[1180] bit more sophisticated actually isn't it, maybe too sophisticated for this [...] . [1181] Mm what have we got over here then, what do we make of yours? [1182] Again just Bacon's burning, is your fire going to be in the kitchen? |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) |
[1183] mm no |
| (PS47D) |
[1184] [laugh] you just like the idea of bacon cooking you picked up on the same idea. [1185] And what we did we have. [1186] Now this is totally different, what do you make of this one? [1187] What do you think of this? girls. |
| (PS47G) |
[1188] I don't think that's kind of less what you'd find in the Sun because of twenty million college goes up in flames. [1189] I think, I dunno whether it's more political more you know people think well why was twenty million wasted on a college you know and saying like that I think you know which is less the Sun. |
| (PS47D) |
[1190] He's actually called it the Gazette so we don't know if it's political [laugh] |
| Unknown speaker (JJSPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS47D) |
[1191] But you're right yes it's sort of erm drawing your attention to the fact that this college |
| (PS47G) |
[1192] the money |
| (PS47D) |
[1193] costs this horrendous sum of twenty million pounds political slant to the story |
| (PS47G) |
[1194] and it's only been open for what two or three years |
| (PS47D) |
[1195] what a waste |
| (PS47G) |
[1196] you know |
| (PS47D) |
[1197] and then they didn't build it well enough to withstand fire |
| (PS47G) |
[1198] exactly especially [...] you know |
| (PS47D) |
[1199] ooh, ooh, interesting out of control chemistry experiment wrecks school |
| (PS47G) |
[1200] well this a science orientated college and they shouldn't be allowed to get out of control. |
| (PS47D) |
[1201] cos it's a C T C |
| (PS47G) |
[1202] yeah |
| (PS47D) |
[1203] even worse, you can build on this idea, couldn't you? [1204] I think he's got a good idea here but if he takes that slant to his story you could do rather well. [1205] Do you like that idea? [1206] Yes. [1207] I think that could go quite well. [1208] Which which words then are actually grabbing you there. |
| (PS47G) |
[1209] twenty million |
| (PS47D) |
[1210] definitely |
| (PS47G) |
[1211] yeah and then the flames |