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St Dominic's: training session. Sample containing about 4439 words speech recorded in educational context


8 speakers recorded by respondent number C595

PS4RK X m (No name, age unknown, teacher, no further information given) unspecified
PS4RL X f (Alison, age unknown, student) unspecified
PS4RM X f (No name, age unknown, student) unspecified
PS4RN X f (Francesca, age unknown, student) unspecified
PS4RP X m (Richard, age unknown, student) unspecified
PS4RS X f (Margaret, age unknown, student) unspecified
JSVPSUNK (respondent W0000) X u (Unknown speaker, age unknown) other
JSVPSUGP (respondent W000M) X u (Group of unknown speakers, age unknown) other

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  1. Tape 122001 recorded on 1994-02-14. LocationGreater London: Harrow-on-the-hill ( classroom ) Activity: lesson

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Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [1] cos he's coming down
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [2] Are you doing it as well.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [3] Yeah
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [4] [...] .
(PS4RK) [5] You other people and you've obviously got time to start preparing your thoughts.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [6] Yes.
(PS4RK) [7] Alright.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [8] [...] take [...] .
(PS4RK) [9] Well know it's it's there all the time.
[10] We were just carrying on.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [11] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [12] [...] .
(PS4RK) [13] Right [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [14] [...] .
(PS4RK) [15] So what I did with you last week [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [16] I said erm but [...] It is a good start really, [...] someone else [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [17] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [18] Sh.
(PS4RK) [19] Can you say that again?
Alison (PS4RL) [20] [...] Tony he pretends to be someone else in [...] this [...] and er more [...] .
(PS4RK) [21] [...] alright .
Alison (PS4RL) [22] Yeah. [...] .
(PS4RK) [23] Alright.
Alison (PS4RL) [24] More [...] Solomon [...] .
(PS4RK) [25] Solomons.
Alison (PS4RL) [26] Solomons yeah. [...] .
(PS4RK) [27] Is that [...] chap as well.
Alison (PS4RL) [28] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [29] [...] .
(PS4RK) [30] And and what is the point of disguising [...] disguise?
Alison (PS4RL) [31] Well it means just taking apart.
(PS4RK) [32] [...] in terms of any length, what's it doing to the plot for a start. ...
Alison (PS4RL) [33] Well when Tony pretends it sort of gets the ball rolling.
(PS4RK) [34] So it's a kind of plot
Alison (PS4RL) [35] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [36] [...] .
[37] You've got [...] haven't you?
Alison (PS4RL) [38] Yeah. ...
(PS4RK) [39] [...] .
Alison (PS4RL) [40] [...] .
[41] erm why Marlowe and he thinks that the family and servants
(PS4RK) [42] So [...] .
Alison (PS4RL) [43] Yes [...] .
(PS4RK) [44] [...] .
[45] Not making [...] really.
[46] I suppose it's the set up [...] .
[47] O K that's fairly basic stuff [...] you've got people [...] .
Alison (PS4RL) [48] Relationships.
(PS4RK) [49] You've got relationships, yes.
[50] Alison [...] say about previous ideas, what's that.
[51] You're quite sure.
Alison (PS4RL) [52] You've got unknown disguises
(PS4RK) [53] How do you mean unknown disguises?
Alison (PS4RL) [54] Well Marlowe doesn't know who Mister Hardcastle is and doesn't know who Miss Hardcastle is [...]
(PS4RK) [55] Right.
[56] So he is the victim?
Alison (PS4RL) [57] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [58] Is he?
Alison (PS4RL) [59] He's unaware of everything that's going on.
(PS4RK) [60] [...] is that right, what's Marlowe's role in all of this
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [61] [cough] .
(PS4RM) [62] Well it's just like that the joke kinda on him because he's erm, he's the one they're all concealing the identity of the house
(PS4RK) [63] Even his best friend?
(PS4RM) [64] Yeah and erm yeah, he's [...] keep up the joke.
(PS4RK) [65] Right.
(PS4RM) [66] They don't want it to interfere with their plans
(PS4RK) [67] Erm does this question diary [...] it all? [...] he look like .
(PS4RM) [68] Because erm [cough] it's all the plot can be seen by the audience.
[69] It's not exactly what's gonna happen in the plot we all know what happens it's like how it will happen
(PS4RK) [70] romantic outcome or what
(PS4RM) [71] Erm well we all know what's going to happen and they sort of give an idea of the plot but it's only Marlowe who doesn't know.
[72] so we know more than the characters do
(PS4RK) [73] Yes, or that character does
(PS4RM) [74] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [75] So we're all in kind of conspiracy and everyone else except Marlowe is that right?
(PS4RM) [76] Yes.
(PS4RK) [77] Marlowe perhaps figures in other ways as well doesn't he? ...
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [78] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [79] [...] .
(PS4RM) [80] I er it's just that we, all of us are on different pages.
(PS4RK) [81] [...] .
(PS4RM) [82] Oh yeah.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [83] [...] .
(PS4RM) [84] It's more emotional [...] .
[85] It's not really erm intentional this guy [...] .
(PS4RK) [86] Yes she puts it on.
(PS4RM) [87] Well it's sort of
(PS4RK) [88] [...] .
(PS4RM) [89] she finds it [...] easier to talk to [...] come out with it. [...] .
(PS4RK) [90] Yes.
[91] It's not deliberate though is it?
(PS4RM) [92] No, it's just that erm he feels comfortable and doesn't have to put on a show
(PS4RK) [93] O K.
(PS4RM) [94] more erm abrupt more familiar side of him coming out [cough]
(PS4RK) [95] Isn't that a little bit pathetic?
(PS4RM) [96] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [97] He can only be himself with a female inferior.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [98] [cough] .
(PS4RM) [99] No we ought to [...] .
(PS4RK)
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [100] [laugh] .
(PS4RK) [101] No like that's not it to go with their mates [...] .
(PS4RK) [102] I suppose that's true.
[103] There's all [...] being themselves.
[104] You just said that Englishmen prefer being with other men.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [105] [laugh] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [106] I suppose it can be the same I think it's just a bit more extreme like the characteristic he shows when he's in female company like erm just like going over the top the way he acts
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [107] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [108] So there isn't any truth [...] all of this
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [109] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [110] O K so if any of you could make [...] because it's one more interesting psychological ploys in the play, there aren't very many of them are there? [...] comedy I suppose I'll play [...] behaviour.
[111] Willis [...] erm [...] something to that class [...] isn't it and and what you have classed as having more mileage [...] .
[112] Francesca what do you think?
Francesca (PS4RN) [113] No [...] .
(PS4RK) [114] Whatever [...] .
[115] Lots of [...] concerning [...]
Francesca (PS4RN) [116] It's really exag it's really exaggerated, they really make erm, I can make all the country folk showed as real louts most of [...] the people in the pub Tony and then the servants are really stupid and then
(PS4RK) [117] They're not real butlers they're being trained
Francesca (PS4RN) [118] Yeah, they're just like farmhands
(PS4RK) [119] Yeah [...] well I've got to be erm
Francesca (PS4RN) [120] But even like erm Mr and Mrs , like they come over as just comic figures really.
[121] Because Mrs like erm sort of assumes herself to be really fashionable by the things that [...] like up with the fashions or anything and then Mr [...] self important [...] stories of the War [...] .
(PS4RK) [122] Yes.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [123] [...] disguise [...] .
(PS4RK) [124] I was going to actually ask the same question.
[125] Erm you [...] haven't you?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [126] [...] believe in [...] .
(PS4RK) [127] Self delusion. [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [128] [...] .
(PS4RK) [129] [...] what I said [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [130] [...] .
(PS4RK) [131] What about erm, we haven't read any [...] today, have we?
[132] Erm there's a coach ride.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [133] Oh yeah and it is totally [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [134] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [135] Yeah.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [136] She doesn't recognise the
(PS4RK) [137] Yes.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [138] [...] Mrs [...] .
(PS4RK) [139] This is when disbelief actually suspended [...] later.
[140] ... Do you see the performance of it?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [141] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [142] Does that get round the problem? ...
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [143] What [...] .
(PS4RK) [144] Mm.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [145] Well I suppose it was a bit far fetched.
[146] I don't like the [...] and everything [...] .
[147] People were coming in and out the shadows, like telling his mum to cuddle up to [...] to go [...] everything.
[148] That was a bit far fetched I suppose but erm you won't be looking at it for [...] it is believable or not [...] .
(PS4RK) [149] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [150] It was just quite funny.
(PS4RK) [151] So it's dramatic inventions
Margaret (PS4RS) [152] Yeah [...] .
(PS4RK) [153] I think so, that feeling for [...] highwayman.
[154] Erm have people coming on and off stage when they want [...] sides.
[155] [...] I think.
[156] What you've got to do then is to relate erm, this particular topic to, shall we say themes, and techniques in the play itself.
[157] ... and also this happened in Shakespeare's plays too.
[158] Erm what it reveals of people psychologically, if anything.
[159] It is not a very profound play ... Francesca, anything else you wanted to throw in that we've not included here?
Francesca (PS4RN) [160] Erm [...]
(PS4RK) [161] [...] that's not all.
Francesca (PS4RN) [162] could you do the servants [...] .
(PS4RK) [163] You mean the serving men
Francesca (PS4RN) [164] Yeah.
[165] They were sort of weren't they.
(PS4RK) [166] In what [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [167] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [168] [...] .
Francesca (PS4RN) [169] No they've sort of working on the farm
(PS4RK) [170] They're just labourers.
Francesca (PS4RN) [171] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [172] Erm because in fact quite funny seeing they're all being [...] er to laugh [...] erm see what [...] servants in.
[173] That links up as farce again, doesn't it?
Francesca (PS4RN) [174] Mm.
(PS4RK) [175] [...] and dramatic erm action
Francesca (PS4RN) [176] And erm what Mrs [...] and what it actually [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [177] Yeah I see [...] .
(PS4RK) [178] Kate Hardcastle and Tony.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [179] No Mrs .
(PS4RK) [180] Oh right.
Francesca (PS4RN) [181] But I don't [...] disguise.
(PS4RK) [182] What about the two pairs of children.
[183] What about Mr and Kate?
Francesca (PS4RN) [184] She seems fairly true to [...] her father sees this through her [...] .
(PS4RK) [185] Perfection.
Francesca (PS4RN) [186] Yeah, but she's more settled in.
[187] No, yeah [laugh] .
(PS4RK) [188] Well sh
Francesca (PS4RN) [189] She's not really better is she?
(PS4RK) [190] Yeah well she does actually erm say to everyone in a rather creepy way that [...] require [...] do doesn't she?
[191] Help him to quote
Francesca (PS4RN) [192] [...] it's more obvious to the audience how, like, Tony's just after what he can get sort of thing.
(PS4RK) [193] Complete write off.
Francesca (PS4RN) [194] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [195] [...] parents with their siblings that [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [196] How will that be described though?
Francesca (PS4RN) [197] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [198] Well he's [...] that [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [laugh]
Francesca (PS4RN) [199] Yeah but ... it's what she's perceiving really isn't it?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [200] Yeah.
Francesca (PS4RN) [201] What she's deluding herself to think
(PS4RK) [202] Didn't he help with that illusion?
Francesca (PS4RN) [203] Not really.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [204] I don't think he really tries to hide the fact that he's like
(PS4RK) [205] that he steals her money.
Francesca (PS4RN) [206] Yeah
(PS4RK) [207] to go down to the pub
Francesca (PS4RN) [208] Yeah he doesn't really try to impress her he makes things worse I think
(PS4RK) [209] O K so she's a doting mother, is that right? [...] what [...] want.
[210] ... Erm I still want to bring Kate and her father as well I think cos he's looking at [...] some people, isn't he?
[211] Know what I mean?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [212] Mm.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [213] That should be [...] .
(PS4RK) [214] [...] agree.
[215] Well it's your essay not mine but
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [216] [laugh] .
Francesca (PS4RN) [217] [...] .
(PS4RK) [218] Erm what about when Mrs Hardcastle doesn't want to give up the jewels.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [219] Yes [...] he's rude [...] .
(PS4RK) [220] She conceals Tony's age cos he's really twenty one
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [221] [...] .
[222] Just those [...] keep like the jewels in their family [...] .
(PS4RK) [223] [...] .
[224] That would do nicely, wouldn't it?
[225] Erm, she also lies about er
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [226] [...] thing lost.
(PS4RK) [227] [...] in the windows discarded. [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [228] Mm. ...
(PS4RK) [229] That was seen [...] . [...] . ...
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [230] Only about Miss and Hastings.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [231] Yeah.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [232] Have you read, have you looked in that?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [233] [...] .
(PS4RK) [234] [...] mention that [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [235] Well I think [...] not so much [...] about [...] when Hastings was there.
[236] Miss and Tony you have to kinda pretend that they do like each other so that erm the mother doesn't suspect her of liking Hastings.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [237] Mm.
(PS4RK) [238] So that's more, shall we say, purposeful, disguising her feelings.
[239] [...] more cunning stuff going on here as well.
[240] Is that right?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [241] Mm.
[242] yeah.
(PS4RK) [243] Would you say much more farcical [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [244] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [245] theatrical.
Francesca (PS4RN) [246] Yeah and Hastings and the [...] .
(PS4RK) [247] Yes and those two are the least kind of losing [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [248] Mm. ...
(PS4RK) [249] This is the essay you are actually going to write.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [250] Yeah. [...] .
(PS4RK) [251] maybe
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [252] maybe not sure but you're not certain
(PS4RK) [253] No, well we've done a little bit.
[254] There's obviously not very much here but I mean
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [255] Would you [...] themes [...] ?
(PS4RK) [256] Would I write?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [257] [...] take [...] take [...] emotional [...] and discuss it [...] .
(PS4RK) [258] Alright so you are going to judge the characters of the
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [259] [...] .
(PS4RK) [260] I wouldn't think I'd discuss it under functions really ...
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [261] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [262] See perhaps I'd like to [...] more section [...] to.
[263] What the disguise is doing.
[264] Whether it's just a plot
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [265] Mm.
(PS4RK) [266] erm device or whether it's telling us something about human beings. ...
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [267] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [268] It would be up to you really ... to [...] common purposes.
[269] ... Well that's a start isn't it?
[270] Shall we move that one round? [...] girls [...] please.
[271] Round yourselves up. [...] .
(PS4RK) [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [272] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [273] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [274] [...] .
(PS4RK) [275] What's the actual title
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [276] She stoops to conquer and discuss the ways in which women are portrayed in the play.
(PS4RK) [277] Portrayed [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [278] [...] .
(PS4RK) [279] O K then. ...
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [280] [...] to Miss came [...] .
(PS4RK) [281] So Miss pays with compliments.
[282] That's clear Miss is [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [283] [...] .
(PS4RK) [284] Oh I'm sorry.
[285] ... Er
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [286] [...] anyway [...] [laugh] .
(PS4RK) [287] [...] . ...
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [288] But you could mention these [...] er women that Mrs talks about [...] .
(PS4RK) [289] [...] Mrs and all these other kind of er interesting offstage characters.
[290] Erm when there's people [...] every minute he goes, is that makes out.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [291] No.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [292] Mrs mentions that when she's talking about sophisticated London
(PS4RK) [293] Her friends.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [294] They visit London but she doesn't
(PS4RK) [295] Alright fine you might if you're desperate mention that [...] .
Richard (PS4RP) [296] You could say that erm Mrs likes it with [...] the local [...] .
[297] You know [...] in love with him.
(PS4RK) [298] Yes and at the end of the play as well.
Richard (PS4RP) [299] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [300] Erm what you have to avoid is just divide into three?
[301] Do you agree with that would be rather dull she did that.
[302] It would be rather dull.
Richard (PS4RP) [303] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [304] [laughing] [...] plans [] .
(PS4RK) [305] Oh well if you really want to you can.
[306] It you just look very very well [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [307] [...] .
Richard (PS4RP) [308] [...] trip and if you're not going to divide it into three.
(PS4RK) [309] Well as Dennis was implying, erm you're really looking say at the low comedy.
[310] [...] Mrs came to [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [311] put into themes
(PS4RK) [312] Well that will seem to me to be a bit more [...] but obviously it's up to you but it may not quite work out as neatly as [...] erm [...] but you may well like to think about the role of women as perceived, the way they treat men and relationships.
[313] So you could do more under that heading couldn't you?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [314] portrayal of women
(PS4RK) [315] Yes but like the are just planning to [...] affection [...] based on mutual whatever it is
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [316] [...] they base [...] Mrs as the villain of the peace.
(PS4RK) [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [317] Yeah I thought that [...] about it
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [318] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [319] she just seemed kind of old fashioned.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [320] [...] to say that erm [...] erm [...] they are saying that erm she's most funny and things like that and she's got great depth.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [321] great depth
(PS4RK) [322] So th the [...] comes on a bit heavy at times doesn't it?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [323] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [324] And makes a great meal of that material.
[325] She's a villain of the peace.
[326] Well I think you need to go look at [...] that.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [327] [...] .
(PS4RK) [328] Erm er we'll look it up sometime [...] erm [...] affection with Tony.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [329] Yeah, [...] ?.
(PS4RK) [330] which makes her a villain
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [331] no makes her not as bad
(PS4RK) [332] oh
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [333] First of all they said she was the villain.
[334] Then they went on to say why she [...] .
(PS4RK) [335] She keeps repeating [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [336] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [337] Well because she wants the jewels that's why she's she's sort of like er
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [338] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [339] She's only interest [...] .
(PS4RK) [340] She she's obscuring the truth a bit isn't she?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [341] [...] totally within [...] .
(PS4RK) [342] and that's the name.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [343] [laugh] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [344] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [345] and her [...] as well.
(PS4RK) [346] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [347] [...] she's famous
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [348] [...] .
(PS4RK) [349] Oh I see, yes and she wants to go to make out that she's er [...] whatever age she is.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [350] Yeah, yeah.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [351] and she wants to get Tony and Constance together
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [352] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [353] [...] really [...] really that good .
(PS4RK) [354] Makes her.
[355] Yes she's [...] isn't she?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [356] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [357] [...] she comes out of the bush and says [...] she wants a highwayman to take her.
(PS4RK) [358] Isn't that rather heroic?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [359] Yeah.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [360] That's it [...] in there [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [361] There's like two sides to it.
(PS4RK) [362] I think you're all being a bit heavy with all of this [...] as treating her like a George Eliot heroine.
[363] Erm [...] she's obviously got quite a lot of material for anybody to look at.
[364] Erm, what about the fact that she does want to er keep her looks and be fashionable then doesn't she?
[365] The girls to say [...] about women in particular. ...
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [366] Doesn't that sort of bring in [...] to the country and [...] she's out in the country and she wants to show it to them that she she's sort of she's still fashionable [...] .
(PS4RK) [367] Yeah, she's a [...] .
[368] [...] . Erm [...] suggest that [...] appear fashionable. ...
(PS4RK) [369] You'll find the equivalent [...] as well.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [370] I thought [...] just [...] we can see that she's quite an extremist just [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [371] [laugh] .
(PS4RK) [372] You want to discuss caricature don't you
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [373] Well I don't think it's just the real [...] in fashion [...] what they're gonna wear [...] it's only really Mr that is not interested in it
(PS4RK) [374] This person that's kind of bows and his bald head pops out of his wig or something.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [375] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [376] Alright
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [377] [...] .
(PS4RK) [378] Erm.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [379] [...] Mr [...] Mrs [...] different roles to Mr Hardcastle
(PS4RK) [380] Different role
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [381] roles [...] like Mrs is interested in fashion [...] he's not and then [...] to say [...] to wear her housecoats and then erm [...] her [...] different to what [...]
(PS4RK) [382] Yeah she only wants [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [383] Erm [...] the subjects now then [...] to Mr
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [384] I think so.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [385] [...] different values [...] .
(PS4RK) [386] [...] .
[387] Erm different values.
[388] O K. It seems to me that [...] and just [...] looking at human nature [...] something [...] is that right?
[389] And holding them up for a little bit of erm laughter.
[390] So Mrs so far has been hogging the whole show, is that right?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [391] [...] he's [...] like Mrs [...] cos they've got power really over the men
(PS4RK) [392] the men
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [393] Yeah
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [394] Have they [...] when says that he's willing to pay for erm Mrs [...] disguises the maid, he says he's willing to pay for her services.
(PS4RK) [395] Yes.
[396] What's the point you're making there
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [397] Like showing their view, really [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [398] He's degrading himself really because he needs to find out that she was [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [399] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [400] yes, she's really Mrs .
[401] She's the same person but he treats her
(PS4RK) [402] Yes
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [403] degrading him.
(PS4RK) [404] I think so and that's a fairly I mean it's not gonna be heavy moral point here is it but while it shows up [...] you can treat a woman as an object in this way ... don't you think?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [405] will we be able to bring that into the essay
(PS4RK) [406] Well if you want to [...] a woman as a sexual object [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [407] [...] this letter from [...] erm that [...] it kind of shows up [...] .
(PS4RK) [408] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [409] Well because [...] I [...] she's the conqueror kind of [...]
(PS4RK) [410] Yes
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [411] [...] .
(PS4RK) [412] she's the butt of the jokes .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [413] Yeah and and if [...] and I also [...] what I was going to say how she she kind of is able to control erm or bring out [...] because she's [...] bring out both his sides but erm to her father wants to [...] sort of get rid of him, she's able to erm [...] just erm act more charming and get them, you know, one line to prove them wrong.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [414] [...] both sides of his character.
[415] She's [...] his person, she [...] both.
[416] She's not really, I don't think she's stupid cos she 's she decides to do it because she's [...] again.
(PS4RK) [417] So she's manipulating.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [418] Yeah she's in control of the whole situation
(PS4RK) [419] [...] .
[420] She's power.
[421] [...] with her father as well.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [422] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [423] I see O K that all sounds fine what about their comic roles.
[424] Have you discussed this I suppose we have.
[425] This kind of comic role.
[426] ... I mean putting on [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [427] [...] .
(PS4RK) [428] Yes, erm, Richard what about Constance?
Richard (PS4RP) [429] Well she's like, really she's just like a friend of Kate Hardcastle cos ...
(PS4RK) [430] she's a woman.
Richard (PS4RP) [431] Yeah.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [432] She hasn't got any comedy in her, she's quite serious ... it's the home [...] her say in the prologue [...] different mentality.
(PS4RK) [433] Yes.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [434] Her and Hastings. ...
(PS4RK) [435] Yes.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [436] Her virtue is not virtue if she tumbles [...]
(PS4RK) [437] You're saying that erm Constance is the voice of what, high morals or really she 's
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [438] Not really because she wants, doesn't want to elope with him, she wants her jewels.
(PS4RK) [439] So she's quite scheming and erm, would you say money grabbing character?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [440] Erm [...] [...] .
(PS4RK) [441] They aren't her jewels after all .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [442] Just shows you what her priorities are really [laugh] rather than handsome man she'd rather have her jewels.
(PS4RK) [443] Well have the jewels as well as a handsome man.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [444] Yes [laugh] .
(PS4RK) [445] [laugh] .
[446] [...] that's a nice little comment on human nature, isn't it?.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [447] But she's she's she doesn't want it she didn't want the jewels did she but when she nearly had them.
(PS4RK) [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [448] Yeah .
(PS4RK) [449] Erm so if they [...] this kind of erm poking fun at previous [...] acquired affection.
[450] Erm discussing why Alexander is, I think he has to be a bit harsh or satirical as erm.
[451] Erm [...] Constance [...] that she she's simply a sentimental heroine.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [452] I think she's quite powerful as well.
(PS4RK) [453] Do you?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [454] Because erm in her her differences in her erm behaviour towards Hastings towards Tony, like she's she chases him off the stage [...] one point [...] Tony and then she [...] sort of turn round and be all charming sort of [...] .
(PS4RK) [455] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [456] Yeah, towards Hastings and that shows [...] they give their two descriptions of her and Tony's [...] Hastings [...] they find have beautiful and they find her modest.
[457] That is what shows the two sides to her character.
(PS4RK) [458] [...] two different men as well.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [459] [...] .
(PS4RK) [460] That's quite a nice point then isn't it?
[461] She seems quite a complicated player in some ways
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [462] mm
(PS4RK) [463] There's quite a lot to talk about isn't there?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [464] We are still not sure how it's erm [...] structural [...] .
(PS4RK) [465] How to organise it.
[466] Yes we turn to you.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [467] [...] talk about [...] talk about comedy and all that [...] .
(PS4RK) [468] Different levels of comedy is where they actually break it up a bit which erm
Richard (PS4RP) [469] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [470] comedy [...] the comedy of the situation [...] language certain elements of wit or [...] talking about the farmhouse language, farmyard.
Richard (PS4RP) [471] Then you talk about erm how how the characters [...] that Constance and Kate have different sides [...] and then you can sort of.
(PS4RK) [472] because they are both the same age aren't they? they're both you know, young women aren't they of marriageable age and have rather different functions.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [473] [...] sort of, sort of [...] material.
[474] Just a bit the men and what [...] shown through them.
(PS4RK) [475] Yes do we have much idea of men's perception of women in the play.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [476] Yes.
(PS4RK) [477] Very strong.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [478] [...] and erm
(PS4RK) [479] So what is Tony's perception of women?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [480] Don't know [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [481] [laugh] .
(PS4RK) [482] [...] set about [...] it's an idea or
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [483] [laugh] .
(PS4RK) [484] women [laugh] .
[485] O K that's quite good.
[486] They get so in other words men
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [487] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [488] have quite a rough deal [...] on [...] .
[489] It shows [...] doesn't it? ... [...] you may want to discuss her too
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [490] Yes.
(PS4RK) [491] as a role model ... Er and what about the er marital relation of the Hardcastles would you want to comment on them?
Richard (PS4RP) [492] Well we never really see much of them together except [...]
(PS4RK) [493] Erm
Richard (PS4RP) [494] and then again at the end.
[495] They all come [...] .
(PS4RK) [496] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [497] I suppose he's got a bit of power [...] her at the end because he makes her give the jewels back [...] .
(PS4RK) [498] But it's a happy marriage, isn't it? and doesn't this fit in under the idea of sentimentality again.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [499] [...] fit in with the portrayal [...] because
(PS4RK) [500] Erm well insofar as he's fond of his wife ... and what their marriage is based on ... she's half the marriage isn't she [...] despite [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [501] [...] .
(PS4RK) [502] You've got to make it [...] the beginning and the end see what comes up [...] looked it up or anything, thought erm ... he's showing her what the younger generation, you know, are erm treating each other isn't he in a romantic way erm there's not much romantic practice in the older generation is there, a bit more affection based on intimate knowledge of each other that sort of thing.
(PS4RK) [503] I know [...] very happy with them.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [504] [...] first reject it reject it.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [505] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [506] [...] one about [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [507] That one.
(PS4RK) [508] Change the [...] slightly.
[509] [...] conquer erm she stoops to conquer and that implies, doesn't it that women win through devious means
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [510] I [...] putting in like [...] herself.
(PS4RK) [511] Seemingly so.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [512] I don't think she did because she made a choice to be next to, she wanted to find out [...] .
(PS4RK) [513] So she
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [514] She did it by herself more than anything.
(PS4RK) [515] [...] he's the one being humiliated not her
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [516] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [517] not her.
[518] ... [...] ... Erm it says in the [...] episode anyway [...] disguise of Kate Hardcastle [...] .
[519] ... would you like to add anything or shall we stop there?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [520] [...] .
(PS4RK) [521] Are you all actually all doing this essay, are you?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [522] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [523] I think it's quite interesting. ...
Alison (PS4RL) [524] [...] I was gonna say about she stoops to conquer [...] she's also doing what's best because sh she [...] like, knows what she wants and [...] like that, erm and she's trying to stop her father from getting him chucked out and stuff as well.
(PS4RK) [525] Yes.
[526] She kept saying
Alison (PS4RL) [527] So sort of she's yeah, she's sort of sensible and she's tactful as well, she's being tactful by
(PS4RK) [528] diplomatic rather than strident and wanting her own way and doing it in a very obvious way.
[529] I suppose you're right,
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [530] she sort of er avoiding a lot of erm friction
(PS4RK) [531] [...] we're going to do this anyway is a [...] way through indirectly rather than confrontational which might be a male aggressive sort of [...] behaviour.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [532] [...] work out the things she does [...] if she didn't like [...] quite funny.
(PS4RK) [533] [...] she was going to win either way.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [534] She [...] at the end as well by mentioning what he said to her as a maid.
(PS4RK) [535] [...] she again sort of chased [...] through to [...] had a rerun of the thing and the truth was revealed.
[536] Fine, well I am sure it would make quite a good essay.
[537] I am quite in agreement with that.
[538] Could we leave that one there and [...] .
[539] Does anyone else want to er come and have a chat, how about a [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [540] [...] .
(PS4RK) [541] Beg your pardon.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [542] [...] .
(PS4RK) [543] [...] hard.
[544] So [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [545] [cough] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [546] Yeah.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [547] [...] an actual [...] .
(PS4RK) [548] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [549] Did you say
(PS4RK) [550] I probably made it up
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [551] Did you say she stoops to conquer [...] the play about the [...] is an [...] which I agree.
(PS4RK) [552] [...] the function of disguises and deception in [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [553] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [554] [...] that be [...] as white as [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [555] [...] .
(PS4RK) [556] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [557] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [558] [...] money, power and sex, violence [...] .
[559] Right kick us off will you
(PS4RM) [560] O K erm.
(PS4RK) [561] So what number is this?
(PS4RM) [562] Number nine.
(PS4RK) [563] Right.
(PS4RM) [564] Right erm [...] function of disguise and perception [...] class distinctions [...] the money [...] to [...] sort of how she feels [...] sort of like well bred [...] educated
(PS4RK) [565] That's nice [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [566] [...] .
(PS4RM) [567] [...] .
(PS4RK) [568] Right so [...] they are
(PS4RM) [569] Although it's [...] that are [...] .
[570] Really stupid [...] they can't behave [...]
(PS4RK) [571] Right.
(PS4RM) [572] [...] meant to and that is healthy [...] stand there [...] .
(PS4RK) [573] So to get the point of this so [...] sometimes servants are the butt of humour in the play
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [574] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [575] then the when they're all parading around it's [...] to behave, he tried to hold their hands, right.
[576] Erm the way that the so-called high class types treat them [...] in a way showing up the high classes as well is that right?
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [577] Yeah.
(PS4RK) [578] O K [...] .
(PS4RM) [579] [...] was the servant [...] as though.
(PS4RK) [580] Probably servants are thick, that's [...] .
(PS4RM) [581] [...] and [...] had control over Mrs with his [...] stupid maid, whereas it's sort of reversed, cos she has power over him cos she brings out [...] character .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [582] [...] .
(PS4RK) [583] [...] is quite easy [...] it.
[584] Giving her a second chance he having failed
(PS4RM) [585] Yeah, but he feels that he's the one [...]
(PS4RK) [586] [...] broadly
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [587] [laugh] .
(PS4RK) [588] I don't believe that, erm that they could bring out that statement [...] goes kind of.
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [589] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [590] [...] .
(PS4RK) [591] That sounds quite nice.
[592] Erm
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [593] [cough] .
(PS4RK) [594] So we're looking to there aren't we [...] only relate to inferior women.
[595] Er is that [...] truthful do you think human nature .
(PS4RM) [596] [...] behave [...] think of them as less than [...] have to [...] doesn't it [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [597] [...] .
(PS4RK) [598] People as a threat
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [599] [...] .
(PS4RM) [600] Yeah [...] .
(PS4RK) [601] No but erm socially [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [602] [...] .
(PS4RK) [603] Alright that sounds very very reasonable
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [604] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [605] [...] .
(PS4RM) [606] It was the way he was erm [...] as well [...] out of his way to impress them [...] so but they just, well you [...] might help
(PS4RK) [607] So it's a kind of competition between them
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [608] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [609] [...] trying to show you Sir [...] trying to [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [610] [...] .
(PS4RK) [611] Right so listen, what about down [...] relating to your social position [...] other words you you gain credibility from who you as opposed to what you are
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [612] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [613] Yeah .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [614] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [615] [...] amount of money you have and that sort of thing [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [616] [...] .
(PS4RK) [617] Right I think you could bring it, this out [...] sociological [...] this to you
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [618] [...] .
(PS4RK) [619] You won't actually look at the fact that there's a competition going on between the [...] erm [...] dismissing that you are actually [...] the new keeper [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [620] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [621] [...] ages to get into [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [622] [...] .
(PS4RK) [623] Right so [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [624] [...] .
(PS4RK) [625] If you'd like to just hang on a second I want to [...] this little [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [...]
(PS4RK) [626] Erm
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [627] [...] .
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Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [629] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [630] [...] meet Miss [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [631] [...] .
(PS4RK) [632] [...] so just [...] the book on [...] she [...] putting forward and [...] that right
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [633] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [634] Yeah
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [...]
(PS4RK) [635] [...] O K erm [...] .
[636] What are the jewels [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [637] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [638] Erm, yeah [...] Mrs she sort of has the power over [...] level [...] erm [...] if she [...] she sort of, it's like she's sort of keeping her on this level in the same household as her [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [639] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [640] Yeah
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [641] [...] .
(PS4RK) [642] They're not really [...] they're really [...] .
[643] She wants to keep them [...] down [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [644] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [645] Yeah .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [646] [...] .
(PS4RK) [647] We have [...] going on between them [...]
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [648] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [649] [...] the house
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [650] [...] .
(PS4RK) [651] [...] tradition [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [652] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [653] Yeah tradition yeah
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(PS4RK) [655] [...] .
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Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [660] [...] .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [661] [...] I can't really [...] certain [...]
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Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [664] [...] .
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Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [666] [...] .
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(PS4RK) [669] You haven't got any [...] smaller .
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(PS4RK) [672] [...] that's all [...] .
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Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [673] About quarter to twelve
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Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [677] [...] then
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [678] [...] .
(PS4RK) [679] See how you're fixed [...] I'll be there anyway,
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Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [681] Yeah .
Unknown speaker (JSVPSUNK) [682] [...] .
(PS4RK) [683] don't worry .
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