| PS5M7 | X | f | (No name, age unknown, historian, Interviewing) unspecified |
| K6UPS000 | X | u | (No name, age unknown) unspecified |
| K6UPSUNK (respondent W0000) | X | u | (Unknown speaker, age unknown) other |
| K6UPSUGP (respondent W000M) | X | u | (Group of unknown speakers, age unknown) other |
| Unknown speaker (K6UPSUNK) |
[1] Right erm, can I start by asking you, can you tell me your full name please? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[2] Mary . |
| (PS5M7) |
[3] And can you tell me your date of birth. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[4] [...] say that. |
| (PS5M7) |
[5] H where were you born? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[6] In Llaneilian. |
| (PS5M7) |
[7] And erm who were your father and mother. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[8] Oh my my er my father came from Horley, Suffolk. |
| (PS5M7) |
[9] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[10] And mother was bo was born in Llaneilian too. |
| (PS5M7) |
[11] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[12] And er father came as a sexton from from Horley with a parson you see. [13] And so |
| (PS5M7) |
[14] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[15] mother was a er a the cook in the rectory so they got together you see, that's how they got [laughing] [...] [] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[16] Oh I see. [17] Why was it your father came came to Llaneilian? [18] From Suffolk. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[19] Oh he my father came from Horley, Suffolk. |
| (PS5M7) |
[20] Why why did he make the move? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[21] Oh well he came to Llaneilian to to be a sexton of the church . |
| (PS5M7) |
[22] Oh I see. [23] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[24] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[25] Erm was his father in the church as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[26] Oh no I don't know where father [...] I don't know where his father was no . |
| (PS5M7) |
[27] No. [28] Do you know much about your mother's parents? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[29] Oh my mother my mother was brought up with her grandmother in Llaneilian. |
| (PS5M7) |
[30] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[31] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[32] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[33] My father came from Horley, Suffolk with a parson you see. [34] To Llaneilian to [...] got to get it they got they got together and they got married and they had ten children. |
| (PS5M7) | [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[35] [laugh] I in in in in the same place. [36] Mother was brought up with her grandmother. |
| (PS5M7) |
[37] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[38] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[39] Why was that, was that Were her parents di Had her parents died? [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[40] Oh no. [41] No. [42] No. [43] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[44] She was just brought up with her grandparents. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[45] Yes. [46] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[47] I see. [48] Erm, whereabouts in Llaneilian did you live when you were young? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[49] Oh I lived with I was born in Llaneilian. |
| (PS5M7) |
[50] Yes, whereabouts? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[51] Oh er er [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[52] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[53] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[54] Oh I see. [55] Yes. [56] And did your father remain er working in the church? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[57] Yes. [58] Mother was a cook at the rectory |
| (PS5M7) |
[59] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[60] and my father was the sexton of the church. |
| (PS5M7) |
[61] Oh yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[62] And my three brothers went after my br my father to be a sexton of a of a church. |
| (PS5M7) |
[63] Oh. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[64] Grave-diggers and all that you know. [65] Yes. [66] Yes . |
| (PS5M7) |
[67] Oh I see. [68] Yes. [69] Erm do you remember much about your father? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[70] Oh yes I remember |
| (PS5M7) |
[71] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[72] father yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[73] Do you remember him working? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[74] Oh yes, he was a d gra the grave-digger. |
| (PS5M7) |
[75] Yes. [76] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[77] Of a church. |
| (PS5M7) |
[78] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[79] And er I he used he used he u used to take lunch he wouldn't he wouldn't take tea [...] dinner he used to have like to have tea in a bottle. |
| (PS5M7) |
[80] Oh did he. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[81] And er |
| (PS5M7) |
[82] Cold? [83] Cold tea? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[84] No warm. |
| (PS5M7) |
[85] Warm tea. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[86] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[87] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[88] And er he er he used I used Mother used to send me with the tea to the to the church to the churchyard to father. |
| (PS5M7) |
[89] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[90] And I put [...] father all the time and I couldn't find him. [91] There he was in the bottom of a grave. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) | [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[92] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[93] Did you yourself go to school in Llaneilian? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[94] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[95] Yes. [96] Was it a little school there. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[97] Oh oh yes, a little school there yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[98] Mm. [99] Do you remember your schooldays? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[100] Oh yes. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[101] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) | [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[102] What was it like? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[103] Oh it was alright. |
| (PS5M7) |
[104] Yes? [105] And how old were you when you left school? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[106] Oh I was I was very young. [107] I was left school very young. [108] I was left school about er eleven years old I was. |
| (PS5M7) |
[109] Did you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[110] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[111] Did most people leave that young? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[112] Oh |
| (PS5M7) |
[113] In those days? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[114] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[115] Did most people leave school at that age? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[116] Oh yes. [117] Mostly yes. [118] In those days you could you know . |
| (PS5M7) |
[119] Mm. [120] Yes yes I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[121] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[122] Wh what erm what was your first language when you were a child? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[123] Oh Welsh. |
| (PS5M7) |
[124] Welsh you spoke? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[125] Yes, |
| (PS5M7) |
[126] Did your father learn Welsh as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[127] Oh yes, father learnt Welsh. [128] Although |
| (PS5M7) |
[129] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[130] he came from Horley, Suffolk, he learnt Welsh alright. |
| (PS5M7) |
[131] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[132] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[133] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[134] And |
| (PS5M7) |
[135] So you only spoke Welsh at home? [136] Did you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[137] Oh yes yes. [138] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[139] Just Welsh. [140] Erm was Llaneilian a small place in those days? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[141] Oh yes very small but it's got very big now you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[142] Yes. [143] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[144] It's it's f it's full of erm full or campers. [145] You know campers . |
| (PS5M7) |
[146] Mhm. [147] Campers. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[148] [...] with the with the with the campers coming like you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[149] Yes. [150] Erm can you tell me some more about your father's job and what he did in his time . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[151] Oh well father came from Horley, Suffolk and he he went as a grave-digger |
| (PS5M7) |
[152] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[153] to the old Llaneilian church. |
| (PS5M7) |
[154] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[155] And er w he used to work between er you know, do do do odd jobs, |
| (PS5M7) |
[156] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[157] between like ten |
| (PS5M7) |
[158] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[159] and er he he used to ring the bell and he used to clean he had [...] to clean the church and all the rest of it you know. [160] Yes . |
| (PS5M7) |
[161] Oh yes. [162] Yes. [163] Was a lot of hard work he did? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[164] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[165] did he work very hard? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[166] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[167] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[168] Grave-digging grave-digging was very hard in those days . |
| (PS5M7) |
[169] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[170] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[171] Would he be the only person digging the graves? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[172] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[173] Would he be the only one doing that job? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[174] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[175] So he'd have to dig the grave by himself . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[176] Yes. [177] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[178] That's a lot of work. [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[179] [laugh] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[180] Erm what was were his wages very low? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[181] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[182] Did he only get a small amount of money? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[183] Oh yes very small, yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[184] Did your did you have trouble living on the amount of money he earned ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[185] Oh yes, mother mother had to work hard |
| (PS5M7) |
[186] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[187] you see she used to erm she used to take er six dressed chickens to the mansion place in Lla in er [...] . [188] To an old lady. [189] And er she had to pluck them and everything, clean them ready to put in the oven you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[190] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[191] I remember. [192] And we had to run [...] to take these chickens [laughing] [...] [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[193] Oh I see. [194] Why was that? [195] Where would where would the chickens come from? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[196] Oh mother used to go and [...] from different farms you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[197] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[198] And she used to clean them kill them and clean them and |
| (PS5M7) |
[199] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[200] [...] to be put in the oven. |
| (PS5M7) |
[201] So would that be to add a little bit more money? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[202] Oh yes yes yes . |
| (PS5M7) |
[203] I see. [204] Erm what kind of food would you eat? [205] In those days? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[206] Oh th We used to have a i don't know whether you used to eat it [...] we used to have a [...] erm er turnips and p and er [...] and er made a have a basin full of buttermilk and and [...] potatoes mixed together you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[207] Oh yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[208] They were very good you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[209] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[210] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[211] Would you have that often? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[212] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[213] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[214] We used to we used to we used to erm have a lot a big lot of buttermilk. |
| (PS5M7) |
[215] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[216] We had three cows. [217] And mother used to |
| (PS5M7) |
[218] You had three cows? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[219] milk them and make erm make the buttermilk and we used to have buttermilk and potatoes in a basin mixed up [laughing] and [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[220] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[221] pepper and salt in them. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[222] Yes. [223] Did you live in a farm? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[224] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[225] Did you live in a farm or a church house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[226] No. [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[227] A church house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[228] little cottage you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[229] Was it Did it belong to the church? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[230] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[231] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[232] Father father was the sex |
| (PS5M7) |
[233] The bell-ringer's house. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[234] Er? |
| (PS5M7) |
[235] It was the bell-ringer's house then ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[236] Yeah. [237] And er he used to be he he [...] mother used to make make some tea for him and warm tea in a bottle in a glass bottle you know. [238] And he he didn't li he didn't like milk, he liked [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[239] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[240] And so I was the one that used to take this lunch to father [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[241] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[242] And er [...] I went to look for him once and I couldn't f Couldn't find him anywhere. [243] And I shouted, Father, father. [244] No sign of him. [245] And there he was, I went to look and I saw at the end there, a big pile of erm earth fresh earth you know. [246] So I went there and there he was, father was in the bottom of a grave. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[247] Did you have to pay rent for the house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[248] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[249] Did you have to pay rent? [250] For the house? [251] Did you have to pay rent? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[252] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[253] To the church? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[254] Yeah. [255] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[256] Was that in the wages? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[257] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[258] Did the church pay your father? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[259] Oh yes. ... |
| (PS5M7) |
[260] What kind of a house was it? [261] Was it a very small house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[262] Only two only two rooms. |
| (PS5M7) |
[263] Two rooms? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[264] Two rooms. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[265] Oh. [266] And how many lived in all of you lived in one house ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[267] Oh we didn't all live together. [268] You know. [269] But mother brought up ten of us up and mother was brought up with he grandmother. |
| (PS5M7) |
[270] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[271] In the little cottage you see. |
| (PS5M7) |
[272] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[273] And erm so she used And then sh I used to take lunch for father and I couldn't find him. [274] Shouted, Father, father. [275] Couldn't find him. [276] And there I went a bit I once saw a big pile of soil at the back you know. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[277] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[278] So I went towards this soil and there was father in the bottom of a grave. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[279] Oh dear. [280] Er how did you manage living in such a small house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[281] Well we didn't we didn't all live together like you know |
| (PS5M7) |
[282] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[283] some of us had gone over the border you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[284] So if it was just two rooms you had, |
| (K6UPS000) |
[285] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[286] erm were they both used for sleeping in at night? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[287] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[288] And then one would be used ... erm as in the daytime as a sitting room or |
| (K6UPS000) |
[289] Oh no we'd no sitting room. |
| (PS5M7) |
[290] No. [291] What were they u What did you do in the daytime then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[292] Oh we used to er we used we used to at sc we used to be at school until we were eleven years old. |
| (PS5M7) |
[293] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[294] And then we er we left school and then we went to work for to w we went to look for work. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[295] I see. [296] Erm ... what How did you used to spend your time When you were at school but in your spare time. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[297] Oh. |
| (PS5M7) |
[298] When you weren't at school. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[299] W oh we used to we used to go out gather firewood and we used to |
| (PS5M7) |
[300] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[301] Borrow the er er bits of coal you know from the |
| (PS5M7) |
[302] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[303] [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[304] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[305] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[306] What would you do with them then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[307] Oh we used to lay fire. |
| (PS5M7) |
[308] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[309] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[310] Mm. [311] Erm were most people in those days poor? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[312] Oh yes very poor, yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[313] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[314] They were very very poor. [315] Of course it's got better now you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[316] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[317] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[318] Did most people erm have a few animals, keep a few animals? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[319] Oh yes, mostly yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[320] Mm. [321] So you did you just have cows or did you have any other animals? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[322] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[323] Just the cows. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[324] No. [325] Mother used to er the cow used to calf and she used to mother used used to bring the little calf up you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[326] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[327] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[328] Mm. [329] Did you used to have to milk the cows? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[330] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[331] Did you do that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[332] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[333] Mm. [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) | [laugh] [laughing] [...] [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[334] Erm do you think you were quite happy as a child? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[335] Oh yes, quite happy. |
| (PS5M7) |
[336] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[337] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[338] We how would your would your mother be busy all the time? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[339] Oh yes [...] mother was very busy. [340] She used to [...] with the with these confinement cases you know. [341] With the with the mothers who used to have er used to have babies you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[342] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[343] And mother used to attend to them with a doctor like you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[344] Oh. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[345] And she used to do that work. |
| (PS5M7) |
[346] So she worked almost as a nurse? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[347] Oh yes . |
| (PS5M7) |
[348] Like a nurse. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[349] Yes yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[350] She wasn't qualified was she? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[351] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[352] No. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[353] But she knew it alright, you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[354] Mm. [355] So she helped Did she help with the childbirth as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[356] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[357] Did she have midwife there, like a midwife? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[358] Oh yeah yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[359] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[360] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[361] [...] helped |
| (K6UPS000) |
[362] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[363] with the children |
| (K6UPS000) |
[364] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[365] Was erm would she get paid for that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[366] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[367] Yes? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[368] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[369] So just just occasionally would that [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[370] Yes that's right, yes yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[371] Mm. [372] Erm how did she know how to do that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[373] Well I I tell you how she she she picked it up [...] . [374] She was brought up with her grandmother |
| (PS5M7) |
[375] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[376] you see? |
| (PS5M7) |
[377] Yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[378] And but her her her grandmother used to go used to go and so she used to take my mother with you see. [379] So that's how she got it. |
| (PS5M7) |
[380] So her grandmother was a midwife? [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[381] Yes, she was yes yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[382] I see, yes. [383] And that was learnt just by practice then really wasn't it? [384] Just from watching . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[385] Yes that's right. [386] Yes, yes, yes. [387] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[388] Yeah I see. [389] Was that erm would she go all around the island or would she just go round Llaneilian area? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[390] Oh no you used to used to go to different to different to dig graves in different churches where there was no man to be out to dig a grave |
| (PS5M7) |
[391] Oh. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[392] you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[393] Oh yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[394] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[395] Mm. [396] How far away would that be that he might go? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[397] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[398] How far might he have to travel to dig a grave? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[399] Oh not well sometimes very very very long way. [400] But mostly he was at home in the old church you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[401] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[402] And different churches round, they used to send for him when there was nobody there. |
| (PS5M7) |
[403] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[404] To have the grave digging there. |
| (PS5M7) |
[405] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[406] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[407] I see. [408] Erm so he would he would have to dig the graves. [409] And would he have to keep the churchyard? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[410] Well m mother used to clean for the church clean |
| (PS5M7) |
[411] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[412] and er filled up the lamps and all that you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[413] Oh I see . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[414] And father used to dig the graves. [415] And my three brothers went after father |
| (PS5M7) |
[416] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[417] er finished to dig the graves. |
| (PS5M7) |
[418] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[419] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[420] Yes. [421] So erm ... w if Had he been doing digging graves when he was in Suffolk? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[422] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[423] Had he been doing the same job when he was in Suffolk ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[424] Oh no. [425] No. [426] No. [427] No. [428] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[429] No? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[430] No. [431] No. [432] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[433] Oh. [434] Had he been u unable to get work in Suffolk? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[435] Oh I don't know, I couldn't tell you. [436] No . |
| (PS5M7) |
[437] Or don't you know? [438] Mm. [439] Erm ... [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[440] He ca he came with the he came with excuse me [...] he he came with a rector |
| (PS5M7) |
[441] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[442] from Suffolk. [443] And he ca he got a job in the old church Llaneilian church to do this job the gal grave digging you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[444] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[445] And my three brothers went after it. |
| (PS5M7) |
[446] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[447] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[448] Was was the rector English? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[449] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[450] Was the rector English? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[451] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[452] Could he speak Welsh? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[453] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[454] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[455] And father and father was English. |
| (PS5M7) |
[456] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[457] And father learnt the Welsh you know. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[458] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[459] A |
| (PS5M7) |
[460] Can you tell me Sorry. [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[461] What age was your father when he came here. [462] How old was he? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[463] Oh he was very young |
| (PS5M7) |
[464] Was he? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[465] He came with with a rector to Llaneilian church. |
| (PS5M7) |
[466] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[467] And [...] after after he came and settled, my three brothers went and dig dig the graves in the old Llaneilian church you know . |
| (PS5M7) |
[468] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[469] And when they were when they were out of er of er anybody to dig the graves [...] They used to send for father. [470] Father used to [...] and do the grave. |
| (PS5M7) |
[471] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[472] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[473] [...] Did he ring the bells in other churches? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[474] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[475] Did he ring the bells in other churches? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[476] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[477] At weddings as well |
| (K6UPS000) |
[478] Yes. [479] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[480] And funerals. [481] Would he be the only person ringing the bells? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[482] Oh no there was a [...] there was another man but he was a but queer like you know he was alright but he used to ring the bell and [...] Did you hear the bell ringing on Sunday? [483] [laughing] And so I said, Yes. [] |
| (PS5M7) | [...] [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[484] [laugh] [laughing] And it was him that was ringing the bell you know. [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[485] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[486] Oh it were all camp. |
| (PS5M7) |
[487] Was there only one bell? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[488] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[489] Was there only one bell? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[490] No there were three there were three bells in the belfry. [491] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[492] Mm. [493] And how many men did it need to ring the bells? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[494] Only one. |
| (PS5M7) |
[495] Only one. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[496] Mm. |
| (PS5M7) |
[497] So he'd ring the bells in other churches as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[498] Oh. [499] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[500] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[501] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[502] So how would he travel from church to church? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[503] Oh walk. |
| (PS5M7) |
[504] He'd walk? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[505] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[506] Oh I see. [507] It would take him a long time then wouldn't it? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[508] Oh yes. [509] [...] they didn't he didn't drink he didn't he didn't dig the graves all a in one in one in one day like you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[510] No. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[511] He used to [...] for different days for grave digging |
| (PS5M7) |
[512] Oh yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[513] there. |
| (PS5M7) |
[514] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[515] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[516] Why How did your brothers manage to do the same job as he did? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[517] Well I [...] I suppose [...] they were they were going around with him you know in the |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[518] [...] to do the grave and then they got [...] . [519] They used to b to do brickwork in the grave. [520] You know. [521] To |
| (PS5M7) |
[522] Oh. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[523] to to [...] with bricks. |
| (PS5M7) |
[524] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[525] Mm. |
| (PS5M7) |
[526] Was that just sometimes he'd do that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[527] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[528] Yes. [529] Something spec for sp for special reasons . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[530] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[531] And where did he get the bricks from? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[532] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[533] Where did he get the bricks from? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[534] Oh I suppose they were they used to make them with with with with soil in those days you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[535] With soil? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[536] Some soil yes and cement you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[537] Ah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[538] Cement them together and then leave them to dry and them er [...] left them to dry until the till they they get dried you see. [539] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[540] So h would he do that as well or would He'd do that. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[541] Oh yes. [542] Yes yes yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[543] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[544] I don't what [...] mother used to mother used to take s chickens. [545] She used to take dressed chickens six every Tuesday. |
| (PS5M7) |
[546] Every Tuesday ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[547] To to a [...] place. [548] [...] we used to call it. [549] And she used to dress them and they was ready to put in the oven and [...] [laughing] [...] with these chickens [] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[550] [laugh] So you'd have to deliver them? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[551] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[552] To deliver them. [553] You had to deliver them ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[554] Oh yes, I was at home yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[555] What was that every Tuesday? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[556] Well er well she used two Tuesday and Thursday and Saturday. [557] She used two the the this lady that took had the chickens and ready to put in the oven there. [558] And we used to [...] her home in the Wintertime [...] [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[559] [laugh] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[560] So she she did that and she did she was a midwife sometimes as well. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[561] Oh yes. [562] Yes yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[563] So that all helped with the money did it ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[564] Oh yes. [565] yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[566] Yes. [567] Erm did you used to have new clothes ever? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[568] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[569] Did you ever have new clothes, when you were young? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[570] Oh not very few. |
| (PS5M7) |
[571] Mm. [572] Erm what about birthdays, did you have anything special on birthdays ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[573] Oh I tell you what [laughing] [...] [] we used to have a dresser like this in front of of of a of a h of a of a [...] at home and er mother used to make a a jelly and she used to put it underneath the dresser and put a plate on on top of it in case the mice would get it. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[574] [laugh] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[575] [laughing] Yes. [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[576] Mm. [577] Did you used to have erm grow vegetables yourself? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[578] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[579] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[580] In the garden you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[581] Would your father do that or would |
| (K6UPS000) |
[582] Oh yes, no he'd do that yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[583] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[584] I remember the once we used to e he used to catch er blackbirds. |
| (PS5M7) |
[585] Catch them? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[586] He used to catch blackbirds. [587] He used to put a [...] in front in the front and put the [...] and put some string in the [...] and put plums in it. [588] And |
| (PS5M7) |
[589] Yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[590] when when the when the blackbird would go in, he'd pull the string. |
| (PS5M7) |
[591] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[592] And and caught them. [593] And he he used to cook them and do you know we we used to pluck them and we used to roast them [...] by the fire in a [...] [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[594] Did you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[595] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[596] What did it taste like? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[597] Oh Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[598] What did it taste like? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[599] Oh lovely. |
| (PS5M7) |
[600] Was it? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[601] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[602] What would you eat that with? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[603] Oh potato and gra made some gravy. [604] And |
| (PS5M7) |
[605] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[606] slice of bacon you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[607] Mm. [608] Did Would many people eat birds like that ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[609] Oh yeah. [610] No not many, only father did. [611] But er not many people would would er do that you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[612] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[613] We had a little [...] garden in the front and we used to put er a [...] in in in the in in on the soil and we used to put some crumbs on on a on a plate you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[614] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[615] And then the birds would go and pick the the the |
| (PS5M7) |
[616] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[617] the crumbs there. [618] So when they they [...] we used to pull [laughing] the pull the pull the pull the bread the the line [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[619] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[620] And c and caught them. [621] And do you know we used to pluck them and we used to fry em er fr and fry them in front of the fire. |
| (PS5M7) |
[622] Would you roast them? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[623] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[624] Yes. [625] And how many birds would you catch to eat a meal? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[626] Oh [...] . [627] We we used to have lots, they used to go [...] my father used to put [...] er a a [laughing] bird a bird trap er bird [...] second time to catch [...] and we used to pluck them and and [...] them and roast [...] by the fire you know [] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[628] Yes. [629] So erm would you have that often? [630] Would you eat blackbirds often? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[631] Well [...] it just depended it was snowy. |
| (PS5M7) |
[632] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[633] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[634] Because erm was that when there was other food was short? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[635] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[636] Yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[637] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[638] Mm. [639] Did you catch rabbits? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[640] Oh father was a great rabbit catcher, yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[641] Did he keep ferrets? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[642] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[643] Did he keep ferrets. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[644] Yes. [645] Oh I was afra |
| (PS5M7) |
[646] To catch them with. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[647] I was afraid of the ferrets. [648] [laughing] We had to hold them [...] and father put them [...] [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[649] H where would he keep his ferrets? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[650] Oh, in a box. |
| (PS5M7) |
[651] In a box? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[652] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[653] In the house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[654] No, in the shed. |
| (PS5M7) |
[655] Yes and how many did he have? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[656] Oh just depends er sometimes he'd [...] they they brought them little you see so they were father would separate the the big ones from the little ones and [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[657] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[658] Yes. [659] Dear me. |
| (PS5M7) |
[660] What other what other wild animals and birds would you would you eat? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[661] Oh |
| (PS5M7) |
[662] Did you have pigeons? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[663] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[664] No. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[665] We do we didn't keep any anything else only only ferrets. [666] Fa father used to breed the ferrets you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[667] He used to breed them? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[668] And then he used to catch rabbits with them you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[669] Mm. [670] Did he have to poach to get the rabbit? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[671] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[672] Did he have to poach to get the rabbits? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[673] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[674] No? [675] He was allowed on the land then ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[676] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[677] Mm. [678] What about pheasants? [679] Did he catch pheasants? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[680] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[681] Did he catch pheasants? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[682] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[683] No. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[684] He'd have to have a licence to have pheasants. |
| (PS5M7) |
[685] But he didn't poach? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[686] Eh? |
| (PS5M7) |
[687] Did he poach to get the |
| (K6UPS000) |
[688] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[689] pheasants? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[690] Yes. [691] Th they used he used to [...] er hunting with the with the with the with the ... with the with the with the people that used to go hunting. [692] With the people you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[693] Oh right. [694] From the mansion. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[695] And and er father used to go er a beater with a big stick to beat the he |
| (PS5M7) |
[696] Yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[697] [...] And do you know father used to now where they used to [laughing] [...] and he used to go [...] and caught a lot of them [] . |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[698] [laughing] And [...] them. [699] [...] in the place where they used to be. [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[700] Mm. [701] Yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[702] Yes. [703] Oh poor old father. |
| (PS5M7) |
[704] When he went out beating them, beating the pheasants out of the bushes, |
| (K6UPS000) |
[705] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[706] would he get paid for that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[707] Oh yes. [708] Yeah. [709] He they were er they were er they were hired. [710] With with the mansion men you see. |
| (PS5M7) |
[711] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[712] Cos he had a big stick like this and beating the woods you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[713] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[714] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[715] Do you remember the hunts? [716] Do you remember them when you they used to come and hunt? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[717] No I don't I don't remember no. [718] No . |
| (PS5M7) |
[719] You don't remember? [720] No. [721] Erm ... did he go fishing much your father? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[722] No father never went fishing. |
| (PS5M7) |
[723] Never. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[724] no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[725] Oh. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[726] But my brothers [...] . |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[727] Yes. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[728] Would they catch much fish? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[729] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[730] Mm. [731] ... What what else would you eat when you were young? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[732] Oh rabbits. |
| (PS5M7) |
[733] Rabbits. [734] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[735] Yes and fish. |
| (PS5M7) |
[736] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[737] And er ... birds we used to we used to we used to father used to caught pheasants occasionally. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[738] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[739] Would you ever have erm any other meat? would you have lamb or beef ever? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[740] Oh yes we used to have it yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[741] Yes. [742] Just was that often? [743] Or just a a few times. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[744] On no [...] well we only used to have a [...] nearly every week you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[745] Mm. [746] And what vegetables would you have in the garden. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[747] Oh we we we we used to have er suede and er carrots. |
| (PS5M7) |
[748] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[749] And er turnips. [750] Father used to he was a great gardener. [751] He used to put everything in the garden. [752] And I tell you what he used to do. [753] He we used he used to put a [...] in the little front garden like you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[754] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[755] And what he used to do in this [...] , he had a string in the [...] and er he could [...] the string [...] put some some er crumbs in the in the er in a [...] and the birds go in and [laughing] he used to he used to catch them and we used to kill them and pluck them you know. [756] Oh [] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[757] Which birds were they? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[758] Blackbirds. |
| (PS5M7) |
[759] Any other birds? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[760] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[761] Just blackbirds. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[762] They were lovely too. |
| (PS5M7) |
[763] Mm. [764] Did you used to go to Sunday School? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[765] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[766] Did you go to Sunday School? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[767] Oh yes. [768] Sometimes church until school time. |
| (PS5M7) |
[769] Yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[770] Yes. [771] Mm. |
| (PS5M7) |
[772] Ho wold were your were your brothers and sisters all older than you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[773] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[774] Were your brothers and sisters older than you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[775] Oh yes there were some older than me yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[776] And some younger? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[777] Yeah. [778] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[779] Mm. [780] Did they all leave school young, all of you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[781] Oh yes. [782] We had to go to school for we were young. |
| (PS5M7) |
[783] From what age did you start school? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[784] Oh about er about five. |
| (PS5M7) |
[785] Mm. [786] And you left about eleven? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[787] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[788] Mm. [789] What did you do when you left school? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[790] Oh I went to service [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[791] Did you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[792] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[793] Where did you go into service? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[794] Oh I went to to a [...] place and er there was a staff of maids there you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[795] Mm. [796] Where was that one? [797] Where was it? [798] What was it called? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[799] Oh [...] |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[800] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[801] What was the name of the house? |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[802] [...] . [803] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[804] And and er so I ... |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[805] So I er we used to catch these blackbirds and them in a [...] and pull the string and they used er try and catch them and we used to we used to kill them and and pluck them |
| (PS5M7) |
[806] Roast them. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[807] and roast them. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[808] What did you do in [break in recording] |
| (PS5M7) |
[809] Right. [810] Do you remember your first day at work? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[811] Oh yes. [812] Quite |
| (PS5M7) |
[813] Yes? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[814] well. |
| (PS5M7) |
[815] [...] What happened, what was it like? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[816] Well [laughing] [...] [] er I went when I was when I went first went and do you know I went into the to the place and do you know I run away from the place. [817] [laughing] I went to. [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[818] [laugh] Was that on your first day? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[819] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[820] Did you get sent back again. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[821] Oh yes. [822] Mother mother b mother brought me back by the the by my by my hair. [...] [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[823] Was |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[824] Were you just eleven then? [825] [...] You were still eleven. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[826] Oh yes I was just eleven yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[827] Yes. [828] How far away from your home was [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[829] Oh it was a big way. [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[830] Did you have to walk there. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[831] Yeah. [832] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[833] Would you stay there in the |
| (K6UPS000) |
[834] I didn't stay I went [laughing] |
| (PS5M7) |
[835] You we you didn't like it at first? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[836] No. [837] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[838] No. [839] Did you have to live at [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[840] Eh? |
| (PS5M7) |
[841] Did you have to live at [...] ? [842] Sleep there? [843] Did you have to sleep in [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[844] Oh yes yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[845] Was that, all the week you stayed ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[846] Yeah. [847] yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[848] Yes. [849] What was it like when you were when you were young starting work at that age? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[850] Well I used I used to be in the kitchen [...] you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[851] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[852] And they used to catch pheasants and er I had to clean I had to pluck these pheasants and er birds and get them ready and ready for them to put in the oven. |
| (PS5M7) |
[853] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[854] In this mansion place you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[855] Yes so you were a scullery maid were you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[856] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[857] You were a scullery maid when you started ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[858] Yes that's right yes yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[859] I see. [860] And what else would you do besides the pheasants? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[861] Oh I used to well the used to catch rabbits you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[862] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[863] And I used to kill er c er clean them. |
| (PS5M7) |
[864] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[865] And I used to get them ready for them to put in the oven or fry it. [866] And I sometimes I used to fry them first. [867] And [...] in the oven and er put some in the oven and put some gravy on and they were lovely now. |
| (PS5M7) |
[868] Were they? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[869] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[870] Erm would you have to do a lot of cleaning work as well in the kitchens? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[871] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[872] You wouldn't? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[873] No. [874] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[875] You were doing the food |
| (K6UPS000) |
[876] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[877] were you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[878] No no no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[879] Would you spend all your time preparing food? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[880] Oh yes mostly . |
| (PS5M7) |
[881] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[882] Vegetables and you know |
| (PS5M7) |
[883] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[884] and birds. |
| (PS5M7) |
[885] How many people worked in the kitchen? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[886] Oh there were there were there were cook and cook [...] waitress and cook general and [...] waitress oh I don't know how many [...] they were. |
| (PS5M7) |
[887] Were there a lot of other servants as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[888] Oh yes in the in the big rooms [...] |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[889] You know. [890] We were in the back place you see. |
| (PS5M7) |
[891] Yes. [892] Where would you sleep? [893] Would you sleep in |
| (K6UPS000) |
[894] Oh sleep in sleep in the mansion place. |
| (PS5M7) |
[895] Whereabo would you be upstairs in the attics or |
| (K6UPS000) |
[896] Oh no, in the attic. |
| (PS5M7) |
[897] In the attic? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[898] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[899] How many people what kind of number of servants stayed in the house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[900] Oh [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[901] About twenty or |
| (K6UPS000) |
[902] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[903] About twenty or would you say more ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[904] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[905] About twenty? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[906] Something like that yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[907] Mm. [908] Who who was the master of the house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[909] Oh he he was the he was the Sir Thomas [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[910] [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[911] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[912] I see. [913] Mm. [914] Did you used to see erm the master of the house ever? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[915] Oh yes very very often see him. |
| (PS5M7) |
[916] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[917] He was a nice gentleman. [918] Top [...] hat. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[919] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[920] And a walking stick. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[921] Yes. [922] Would you erm be afraid of of him? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[923] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[924] You wouldn't? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[925] No. [926] No he was very nice. |
| (PS5M7) |
[927] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[928] He was a proper gentleman. |
| (PS5M7) |
[929] What about the lady? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[930] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[931] What about the lady of the house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[932] Oh she was there too. |
| (PS5M7) |
[933] Was she nice? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[934] Yes very nice. |
| (PS5M7) |
[935] And what did you think of the clothes? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[936] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[937] What did you think of the clothes? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[938] Oh beautiful. |
| (PS5M7) |
[939] Do you remember what kind they were? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[940] Oh they were beautiful things. [941] Er satin blue and satin green you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[942] Mm |
| (K6UPS000) |
[943] And er and and the hats with with the bow with a bow [laughing] on it [] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[944] Were you Did you wish you had clothes like that when you were young? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[945] Oh aye [...] you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[946] Did you? [947] Yes. [948] Did you used to have to wear a uniform? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[949] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[950] You did? [951] What was it like? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[952] Oh very nice. [953] I used to I used to er wear print and white apron in the in the morning. [954] And in the afternoon i used to wear erm a blue and er and er blue [...] oh I forgot. [955] And a big bow [...] [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[956] Mm. [957] Would you serve food as well at the table? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[958] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[959] You served the food as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[960] Yes. [961] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[962] I see. [963] Did they often have big parties? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[964] Oh yes, they had parties galore. |
| (PS5M7) |
[965] Did they? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[966] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[967] Erm would they have lots of important people coming to dinner [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[968] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[969] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[970] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[971] Did you look forward to occasions like that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[972] Oh yes I did. |
| (PS5M7) |
[973] You did? |
| (K6UPS000) | [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[974] Weren't weren't you afraid you'd do something wrong? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[975] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[976] No. [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[977] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[978] Oh. [979] Erm were they the master and mistress of the house, in the house all year? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[980] Oh yes they were there all all the year round they were they were there. [981] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[982] Mm. [983] They wouldn't go away much? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[984] No no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[985] Mm. [986] Would they have people guests to stay? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[987] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[988] They would? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[989] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[990] Erm |
| (K6UPS000) |
[991] They were they were people in those days too you know. [992] Good people you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[993] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[994] I remember the one [...] one of the ladies, er she was dressed in erm in green and she had a big bow [...] . [995] Big [...] you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[996] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[997] And a big hat and she had a big bow [...] [laughing] [...] she looked you know [] . |
| (PS5M7) | [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[998] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[999] Can you tell me about erm a typical days work that you would have to do. [1000] Can you remember what you'd have to do? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1001] Oh w when I first went to to place I I had to er I had to clean er clean I had to I was like a scullery maid. [1002] And I used to clean birds, poultry you know [...] pheasants and things like that. [1003] And I used to [...] and [...] ready to put in the oven. [1004] Dressed up and I used to take them and I used to leave them in the kitchen and the the head kitchen maid er the head kitchen maid w went and took them in. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1005] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1006] [...] ready to put in the oven see. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1007] Yes. [1008] Erm what time in the morning would you have to get up? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1009] Oh now then. [1010] [laugh] That's a hard one. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1011] Was it very early? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1012] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1013] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1014] We used to get up [...] seven o'clock in the morning you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1015] Mm. [1016] Would you as All the servants would you eat together yourselves? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1017] Oh yes. [1018] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1019] Where would you eat, in the kitchen? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1020] Yes in the kitchen yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1021] Mm. [1022] And would you eat leftovers from from the from the mai the master's food? [1023] Or would you have erm a s a different meal altogether? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1024] Oh no we had we had fresh meals for for ourselves [...] and they had different meals for the for the gentlemen as well you know . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1025] Yeah. [1026] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1027] [...] we could see it all set in the in the kitchen ready to put in the oven you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1028] Mm |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1029] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1030] Would you be allowed to eat anything belonging to the the gentlemen's food and any any of his food . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1031] Oh er er leftover sort of thing? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1032] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1033] Oh no no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1034] You wouldn't? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1035] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1036] No? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1037] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1038] Was there a big difference between your meals and his meals? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1039] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1040] No? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1041] We all ate the same. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1042] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1043] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1044] So you'd have quite nice food. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1045] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1046] Yes. [1047] Erm did you once you settled down working there, did you like it? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1048] oh yes I liked it. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1049] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1050] I had to or all I could go somewhere else. [laughing] [...] [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1051] Mhm. [1052] How often would you go home? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1053] Oh not very often. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1054] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1055] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1056] Did you look forward to going home sometimes? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1057] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1058] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1059] I I I I went to to a place first and er I [...] and I I went home you know, without them knowing. [1060] [laugh] [...] mother took me back [laughing] by the hair [...] [] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1061] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1062] By my hair. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1063] Did did they know you'd gone home? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1064] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1065] Did they know that you went? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1066] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1067] No? [1068] What did your mother say then, was she cross with you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1069] No she said, Oh, she said, What do you want? [1070] So I says, I I don't like there I want to go I want to come back. [1071] So she said, Look here my dear girl, she said, you go back and tell the lady that you [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1072] Do you remember how much they paid you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1073] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1074] Do you remember how much they paid you? [1075] Per quarter. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1076] Oh paid very little. [1077] Very little they paid. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1078] Did you manage to save any money? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1079] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1080] You did? [1081] ... What what were the other servants in the house like? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1082] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1083] What were the other servants in the house like? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1084] Oh they were very nice they were gentle |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1085] you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1086] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1087] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1088] Did you all get on quite well together? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1089] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1090] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1091] Mm. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1092] So you were quite friendly with them. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1093] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1094] Mm. [1095] Do you remember any any unhappy times when you were working there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1096] No no not for not for for my remembrance like you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1097] No. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1098] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1099] Do you think the wo the work was very hard for you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1100] Oh I think [...] the work the work was very hard in those days you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1101] Mm. [1102] Did you ever think it was unfair that you had to work so hard for so little money? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1103] Oh no. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1104] You didn't think that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1105] We had to. [1106] There was nothing else for us you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1107] Yes. [1108] You didn't you didn't think it was wrong? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1109] No. [1110] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1111] No. [1112] Would you carry on going to church? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1113] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1114] Did you used to go to church [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1115] Oh yes I used to g I used to go to church regularly every Sunday. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1116] Mm. [1117] Did you go to Llaneilian Church from [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1118] On no. [1119] I was in [...] I wasn't in Llaneilian in those days then er it was [...] far for me to go from Llaneilian you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1120] Mm. [1121] So you went to [...] Church? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1122] No Llaneilian Church. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1123] [...] Oh Llaneilian. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1124] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1125] How long did you stay in [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1126] Oh I was there about [...] a good bit. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1127] How old were you when you finished there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1128] Oh I was [...] and er let me see eleven, twelve, thirteen about fourteen years. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1129] Were you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1130] When I when I left. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1131] Mm. [1132] What made you leave? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1133] Well I don't know. [1134] I was tired of it I suppose you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1135] Where you doing a different job when you left? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1136] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1137] What were you doing when you left. [1138] Bef before you left was your job? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1139] Oh before [...] [...] |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1140] I I was er ... I used to be a kitchen maid. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1141] Mhm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1142] And er they used to catch er pheasants and er what else, the pheasants and |
| (PS5M7) |
[1143] Poultry. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1144] And they used to they used to I had to I had to pluck them and clean them ready to put in the oven. [...] . [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1145] So you started off doing kitchen maid work. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1146] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1147] W after fourteen years, before you left [...] what were you doing then? |
| Unknown speaker (K6UPSUNK) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1148] Oh. [1149] you left when you were fourteen years old yeah? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1150] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1151] You left [...] when you were fourteen years old? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1152] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1153] And what did you do then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1154] Well I went I went to to to a to a er to a er to Sir Thomas then after and er |
| (PS5M7) |
[1155] Where was he? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1156] Eh? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1157] Where was he? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1158] Oh he was at [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1159] And when did you leave [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1160] Oh I lived in Llaneilian. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1161] Yeah wh after [...] where did you go? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1162] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1163] After you finished at [...] where did you go? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1164] Oh I no I don't [laughing] remember where did I go [] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1165] [...] How many years did you work at [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1166] Oh I w I went there as a young girl. [1167] And then er I used to er be in the kitchen. [1168] And I used to to dress er rabbits |
| (PS5M7) |
[1169] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1170] and er poultry you know. [1171] Ready to put in the oven there. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1172] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1173] And oh what were [...] oh I went to [...] I went to service then. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1174] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1175] After that. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1176] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1177] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1178] So where were you doing the working as a kitchen maid? [1179] In [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1180] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1181] So after that where did you go into service after that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1182] Oh I went to to some friends of mine. [1183] I I was [...] very nice place to. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1184] Where was that, in in Llaneilian? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1185] In Llaneilian yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1186] I see. [1187] How old were you when you went there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1188] When I went to Llaneilian? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1189] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1190] Oh I wasn't very old. [1191] I was er ... twelve or thirteen years old I was there . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1192] Mm. [1193] I see. [1194] And what were you doing then when you went back to Llaneilian? [1195] What was your job then. [1196] In s in service? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1197] Oh domestic service. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1198] I see. [1199] Was it a small house you worked for? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1200] Oh no it was a big house. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1201] Oh yes. [1202] Who o who owned the house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1203] Oh er the daughter and the other son of [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1204] Oh I see. [1205] Yes. [1206] So erm what were you doing there then? [1207] What what were you [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1208] Oh I I would I would be the kitchen maid. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1209] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1210] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1211] So you're doing a similar job as you were doing in [...] . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1212] Yes that's right. [1213] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1214] I see. [1215] But did you prefer being in Llaneilian as it was near home? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1216] Oh yes I used to [laughing] I used to play a lot [...] when I left the the the these places you know [] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1217] Yes. [1218] Well you were only a child really when you went there [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1219] That's right. [1220] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1221] Mm. [1222] So erm did you used to sleep in in Llaneilian ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1223] Yeah. [1224] Oh yes. [1225] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1226] So it but it was easier for you to go home if you wanted to I suppose. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1227] Oh I [...] afternoon off, you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1228] Did you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1229] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1230] Mhm. [1231] And what would you do on your afternoon off? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1232] Oh I would go and see some friends of mine. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1233] Mm. [1234] I see. [1235] Erm did you work in the kitchen doing a different job than you were doing ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1236] Oh no. [1237] Only in the kitchen. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1238] Yes. [1239] So were you doing the same kind of work then? [1240] Again? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1241] Yes. [1242] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1243] Did you prefer working in a smaller household? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1244] Oh no I f I preferred er be in a big house you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1245] Yes. [1246] Did you erm find the work the sam as as easy or more difficult in in Llaneilian? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1247] Oh I I was alright but I didn't feel er tired at it all you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1248] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1249] But I got with that some some time [laughing] [...] [] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1250] Did you was it you who chose to go and work in Llaneilian or did they send you to work there from [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1251] Oh no We had to look for work. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1252] You had to? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1253] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1254] Erm ... how many staff were there working in the house in Llaneilian? [1255] Do you remember? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1256] Oh I don't remember how many [...] how many staffs were there. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1257] No. [1258] And |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1259] I couldn't tell you. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1260] And what were the the master and mistress of the house like? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1261] Oh they were champion. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1262] Were they nice? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1263] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1264] Mm. [1265] Would you have to erm did they used to have dinner parties as well there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1266] Oh they had they had big house parties you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1267] Yes. [1268] What was the name of that house then? |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1269] Oh. [1270] And what about the other house in Llaneilian? [1271] What |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1272] Oh. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1273] what was that house called? |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1274] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1275] And what were the the master and mistress like there ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1276] Oh they were champion. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1277] Were they? [1278] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1279] I was there for twenty years. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1280] Twenty years? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1281] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1282] Oh long time. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1283] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1284] And would you just would you do they food all the time that you were there for twenty years? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1285] Oh yes. [1286] I got sick and tired of it you know. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1287] Did you? [1288] Mm. [1289] Did you used to have wait at table as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1290] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1291] You did? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1292] I had to I had to lay the table and they had to be laid spick and span you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1293] Yes. [1294] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1295] Everything had to be it you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1296] Yes. [1297] What would happen if it wasn't quite right? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1298] Oh well they wouldn't say anything. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1299] Wouldn't they? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1300] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1301] Did you get more money there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1302] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1303] Didn't get much more? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1304] No. [1305] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1306] Oh. [1307] Erm ... how did when when the first world war came do you remember that? ... |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1308] No not very well. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1309] No? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1310] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1311] Erm d do you remember much about the time after the first world war? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1312] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1313] You remember the twenties ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1314] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1315] Erm do you remember a lot of poverty in in the nineteen thirties, early Do you remember much poverty and times like that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1316] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1317] Do you remember |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1318] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1319] do you kno did you know a lot of people who had trouble with money? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1320] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1321] Yes. [1322] Erm what did what did your other brothers and sisters do when they when they left school? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1323] Oh they they had to go to service. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1324] They all went and had to go to service ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1325] Yes. [1326] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1327] Mm. [1328] Would you see them much when you'd gone to work? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1329] Yes I'd see them every week. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1330] Would you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1331] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1332] Would you all go home on the same day? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1333] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1334] Oh I see. [1335] Erm what else do you remember as as different about those days and and nowadays ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1336] Oh yes. [1337] Oh yes. [1338] And it is nowadays. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1339] What what do you remember specially a about those days that was different? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1340] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1341] Anything particular? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1342] Oh of course I remember a lot. [1343] I remember father he was a grave- digger and er he used we I used to take er er milk tea and milk and sugar you know, in a glass bottle for him. [1344] He wouldn't he wouldn't he wouldn't he wouldn't he wouldn't want milk, he'd only want tea. [1345] So I went and I used to take it in a bottle for him. [1346] And I used to take it down to the grave yard. [1347] And I couldn't find him once and I shouted, Father, father. [1348] No sound of father anywhere. [1349] But er where he was he was in the in the bottom of a grave [laughing] digging a grave [] . [1350] Oh dear me yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1351] How old was your father when he had when he stopped working? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1352] Oh he was seventy. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1353] Was he? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1354] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1355] That's old. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1356] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1357] Erm Why did he work for so long? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1358] Well that was his work you see. [1359] Digging the graves. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1360] Yes. [1361] Mm. [1362] Did he used to get very tired at his work? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1363] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1364] No? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1365] He didn't get tired. ... |
| (PS5M7) |
[1366] Did he have any erm money when he finished work? [1367] How did he live then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1368] Oh he he he he he he he had he had kept some money backward you see. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1369] Oh yes . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1370] [...] and he he put them in the in the bank and when he finished, when he was [...] he used to go for the money for for for some money |
| (PS5M7) |
[1371] Oh. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1372] from the bank you see. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1373] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1374] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1375] Mm. [1376] When he stopped working, did he have to leave the church house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1377] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1378] Who was the new bell-ringer then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1379] Eh? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1380] Who was the new bell-ringer? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1381] Oh fat father kept the my brother my three brothers went after him. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1382] So they lived in the house |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1383] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1384] with your mother and father ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1385] Yes. [1386] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1387] S and they were paid by the church? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1388] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1389] So they had to share one wage between three of them ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1390] Yes. [1391] That's right, yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1392] Mm. [1393] ... Would your mother erm ... How old was your mother ... when your father retired? [1394] Was she still living then? [1395] When your father stopped working, |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1396] Yes? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1397] was you mother still alive then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1398] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1399] Yes? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1400] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1401] Erm h was she the same age as he was or y or younger or How old was your mother? [1402] Was she younger than your father. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1403] Oh yes yes younger than father. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1404] A lot younger? [1405] Or |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1406] Good bit yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1407] Mm. [1408] What what was her name do you remember, before she got married? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1409] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1410] You don't know it? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1411] No. [1412] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1413] No. [1414] What was her first name? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1415] Mary. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1416] Mary. [1417] Mm. [1418] I see, |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1419] Mary . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1420] Mm. [1421] Erm what were you doing after you finished working? [1422] You said you worked for twenty years about, |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1423] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1424] in the house in Llaneilian. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1425] Yes. [1426] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1427] Why did you stop working there after twenty years? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1428] Oh well ... er I got tired of it you know so I went and got another place. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1429] You just wa wanted |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1430] And And I |
| (PS5M7) |
[1431] a change then was that it? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1432] Eh? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1433] You just wanted to have a change? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1434] Yes that's right yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1435] Mhm. [1436] So w where did you go then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1437] Oh I didn't go r er ve very very much far I took I went and [...] old lady and er looked after her. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1438] Wh Was that in Llaneilian then ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1439] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1440] Yes. [1441] Was it easy to find work? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1442] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1443] Was it easy to find another job ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1444] Oh yes well quite easy for finding work yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1445] So did you find the job before you left the old place? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1446] Oh no. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1447] No. [1448] You left |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1449] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1450] first. |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1451] Mm. [1452] Where the old lady lived what was the house called? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1453] Er what? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1454] Where the old lady lived where what was the house called ? |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1455] Oh. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1456] Do you know it? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1457] Yes. [1458] Well It rings a bell. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1459] [...] but yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1460] Mm. [1461] And so you looked after her as a housekeeper did you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1462] Yes mostly yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1463] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1464] After father after father died. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1465] Oh I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1466] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1467] Did you like having a change of job. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1468] No I don't think so? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1469] No you didn't like it ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1470] No. [1471] No. [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1472] Oh. [1473] Were you working for her when when the second world war came? ... |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1474] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1475] You weren't? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1476] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1477] Were were you working then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1478] Er I was I used to work with a to an old lady and she passed off. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1479] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1480] So I was left on the on the on the on the verge. [1481] [laugh] So I had to [...] |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1482] find a place. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1483] And where did you Did you find another place? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1484] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1485] Where was that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1486] In Llaneilian. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1487] Llaneilian again? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1488] [...] place. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1489] A big place? [1490] Which place was that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1491] [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1492] [...] mm. [1493] Was it nice there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1494] Oh yes, lovely. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1495] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1496] It had twenty rooms in it. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1497] Twenty rooms? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1498] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1499] How many people worked there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1500] Only only me. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1501] Only you? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1502] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1503] Oh dear. [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) | [laugh] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1504] Did you used to have all all the cleaning to do as well then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1505] Oh yes. [1506] Cleaning |
| (PS5M7) |
[1507] Oh. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1508] silver and brasses. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1509] Mm. [1510] Must have been a lot of work for you . |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1511] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1512] Mm. [1513] How many years were you working there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1514] I was there for twenty years. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1515] Twenty years there as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1516] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1517] So you were twenty years at the first place as well? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1518] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1519] I see. [1520] Oh I see. [1521] Erm do you remember the second world war? ... |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1522] No not very well. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1523] No. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1524] No. [1525] No. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1526] It didn't affect your life much? [1527] No. [1528] Were you living in the s in the h house with the old lady? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1529] Oh yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1530] You lived in? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1531] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1532] I see. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1533] And I was looking after her father. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1534] After her father? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1535] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1536] What was her name? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1537] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1538] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1539] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1540] [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1541] [...] I see. [1542] Erm did you used to go home then at all? to your own home? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1543] Oh no, I used to I used to go home occasionally like you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1544] Mhm. [1545] Yes. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1546] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1547] Erm were were your brothers and sisters all living in Llaneilian at that time ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1548] Oh yes we were all living there yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1549] You all were? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1550] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1551] Yes. [1552] What happened to the house where your father and mother lived? [1553] Did you live there again at any time? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1554] On no. [1555] I didn't. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1556] You didn't live there. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1557] The they left it you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1558] Mm. [1559] Oh did they? [1560] Where did they go to? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1561] Oh they w they went to a little cottage in Llaneilian. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1562] Did they? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1563] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1564] Did they buy that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1565] No they didn't buy they they they er they erm |
| (PS5M7) |
[1566] Rent it. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1567] They rent it. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1568] Who did they rent it from a farmer or something? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1569] No er the the people that owned it you know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1570] I see. [1571] Mm. [1572] What was the house called? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1573] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1574] What was the cottage called? |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1575] [...] . [1576] And why did they leave the church house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1577] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1578] Why did they leave the church house? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1579] Oh I don't know. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1580] And did you brothers stay on in the little cottage? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1581] Yes. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1582] What was the the cottage called? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1583] The cottage where my mother and father lived was [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1584] What was the church house called? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1585] Oh there wasn't a Oh er [...] . [1586] Was the name of the the church house. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1587] Mhm. [1588] Erm ... did your brothers stay at [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1589] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1590] Did your brothers stay at [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1591] Well [...] |
| (PS5M7) |
[1592] Yeah. |
| (K6UPS000) | [...] |
| (PS5M7) | [...] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1593] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1594] So your father moved to [...] to retire. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1595] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1596] Mm Did he have any animals there? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1597] Pardon? |
| (PS5M7) |
[1598] Did he keep any animals at [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1599] We kept two cows. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1600] In [...] ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1601] Yes. [1602] And er they used to the cows used to calf you know |
| (PS5M7) |
[1603] Mm. |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1604] and we used to bring the calf up. [1605] And then we used to milk the calf. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1606] Mhm. [laugh] |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1607] [laugh] Oh [...] . |
| (PS5M7) |
[1608] Where di when after you worked erm for the old lady and her father, where did you go to then? [1609] Were you working after that or did you stop working then? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1610] No I didn't I didn't go [...] I stopped working. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1611] You stopped working then ? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1612] Yeah. |
| (PS5M7) |
[1613] Mm. [1614] And where were you living after that? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1615] I think I went to my sister's to one of my sisters. ... |
| (PS5M7) |
[1616] When you erm look back on it now, do you wish you'd had more education at all when you were younger? |
| (K6UPS000) |
[1617] Oh no I was a proper dunce. [recording ends] |